Wrong, it’s more like 5-5 or even 6-4 Guile. Just block him out, and airthrow him. ST.FP when you see the chance. This matchup is nowhere near 7-3
I can agree with this.
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Wrong, 6-4. Guile can fight her on the ground, and her flame kick gimmicks is a gamble because of airthrow. Factor that in with her terrible defense, and this matchup is much more managable. You should be use to blocking though.
This is a universally agreed 5-5. It’s just boring as hell to play.
6-4 only because of Rufus BS ultra setups. Other than that Guile keeps Rufus out like a champ. As soon as you learn how to counter his dive kicks, you don’t leave him with many options. I’ve played so many different types of Rufus, and I rarely have a proble with this matchup anymore.
Guile doesn’t need to get in. And in terms of footsies, the only thing Ryu has over Guile is d.mk. But if your footsies are on point it’s almost always a free sweep. It’s nothing he can truely spam out against Guile. It’s almost even, I just think Ryu’s ultra setups put him slightly above. Ryu has to try to get in on Guile, not the other way around.
Guile is very competitive. And umm, the matchups are 5-5 or 6-4. Whether or not you find them easy is really quite irrelevant. The bottomline is, he has more than enough tools to handle these said characters.
LMAO for you not thinking this 5-5? 6-4 IN GUILE’S FAVOR, do you even read what comes out of your brain? Obviously you don’t play good Seths whatsoever. Just STFU from now on you have no idea what you are even talking about. You sicken me.
Just disregard Brahn he is ridiculous, Ryu can spit fireballs faster than Guile and has shoryu, cr. hp, st hk for anti air jump ins. Guile doesn’t need to play footsies my ass lolol. Not to mentin he has like 5 ways to combo into Ultra GTFO.
According to the last japanese console tier list (this one is made by japanese players, is a wiki, last updated February 2010) Guile VS Seth is a 3-7 in Seth’s favor. And I pretty much agree…
It’s not very common for Ryu to conserve full meter. And as long as you don’t neutral jump when he’s fully stocked, you don’t have anything to worry about. He really can’t just super through your sonic booms like he could do with other characters. I suggest you not throw sonic booms from sweep distance because it is a really fast super. He could punish whiffs with it, but it’s risky, and seriously only a high level Ryu player could whiff punish with a super. The matcup is not that bad. It’s almost the same as it was in ST minus the ultra factor.
Ryu has about 12 ways to combo into ultra if i remember properly, but if you’re good enough not to let him use it, there’s still nothing you can do about his super so you can’t sit at fullscreen trying to wait him out.
Guiles options against a ryu zoning with hadokens who has super:
-Block forever
-Match it and get hit
-Focus and get hit
-Jump anywhere and get hit
-Lay down the controller
That’s only if the ryu player knows how to use his super well though.
Ryu’s faster balls are not faster, and they have more recovery. It seems like you need to learn how to charge buffer, or up your zoning game period. If Ryu is owning you free in a fireball matchup then you just suck.
Varrp that matchup chart is old has hell. And Japanese players don’t really play console characters anyway. I take it with a grain of salt. Plenty of people have said that Guile fight Seth really well. Seth is highly reliant on gimmicky mixups, which Guile can handle just fine.
Is not old has hell, it’s from this month (February 2010). Plus I really think Seth can nullify Guile if both players has same skills with their respective characters. But I respect your opinion, if you can beat Seth so easily good for you! You’ll have to tell us your matchup secret
Why would you be blocking Ryu that much. He’s not C.Viper or Seth. He can’t throw that many attacks out safely. He has some block strings, which are predictable. At worse you will be eating throws if you don’t decide to crouch tech his mixups. Overall, you should be spacing against Ryu better, because he doesn’t have that many ways in. Unless you’re just having a hard time seeing his air tatsus or something. As far as ultra setups, you may want to just eat a throw when he has two meters and an ultra. He will try to bait your crouch tech. Give the risk I’d much rather eat a throw that does no damage than eat one of those. He can do a mixup from there, like a fake fierce or an air tatsu(risky on his part because it’s very seeable).
Ryu doesn’t have any real offesnive options Guile can’t defend himself against. And the further he is away from you the less probability he has of actually making any of those happen.
Ryu can only super through sonic booms at a certain range. If you get fireballed through your sonic booms, then you really aren’t spacing them out right. I don’t know, this is a situation very similar to ST. I don’t really see it as that bad, you just have to think more when he has the super stocked. But again, a lot of Ryu players will burn EX before they sit on a full meter. But if they do, he only has so many setups from full screen, which you should recongnize.
Vaarp just don’t pay attention to Brahn, that chart isn’t old at all. I’d like to see what Seths Brahn even plays against. What arcade does he go to that houses SF4, didn’t find any arcades that have it in Ga?
umm,block. Seriously, his stuff really isn’t that ambigious. Maybe it’s me personally. I was a ST player and a Marvel player before SFIV came out. So blocking stuff that seems “impossible” to block isn’t a big deal for me. If I can block Magneto, then I definitely can block Seth. It’s also a matter of just anticipating him, and timing your sonic booms. Again, I did play Marvel where keep away games are far more annoying, so maybe I got into some of these matchups with that mindset. you have to be somewhat unorthodox with Guile to win this matchup, and take more risk than you’d normally be inclined to take. Also, I don’t have any problems simply not jumping, or just turtling when I need to. I find playing this passively and taking calculated risk when you can “predict” him to be more than enough to handle him.
I also think that some of you just get impatient or mind fucked in your “bad matchups”. I was at a tournament back in November, and I saw some other Guile player playing Bison. I mean it’s a Bison I could have ate up alive. The Guile player was “playing the matchup”, but of course the Bison player knew what to expect from Guile and murdered this guy. I mean, I clearly think I’m a better guile player than that guy, but that’s irrelavant. I would not have never lost my cool in that match. When I play Zangief or Balrog, I never lose my cool. I never get anxious. Losing your cool when you play with Guile will make a lot of his matchups seem harder than they are.
I’m going to raise the point that personal factor also takes a huge paper in fighting games. Maybe Brahn is better than the average player fighting some chars, and maybe he’s worst fighting anothers. Anyway, I can guarantee you that if you play a good Seth you’re going to have a bad time for winning him!
This is rule #1 in all fighting games. I think many players underestimate the idea of it. Don’t get it wrong, I don’t mean block as in “turtling”…but block when you need to do it, based off the situation. I swear, I think many people can attack and think they can get away with it.
The way I look at matchup is that characters have “tools”. Knowing those tools is a matter of going to training mode and leanring how to beat them. I probably couldn’t beat a good Seth. But beating a good Seth isn’t the same as beating Seth. The same as beating Guile with Sagat. I’m sure the average Sagat player can beat Guile, but I doubt he could beat a good Guile.
A good Seth isn’t just going to spam out “the tools”. Or just contiousnly go for “the setup”. They generally are going to be thinking dynamically, and try to constantly put you in a bad situation. In terms of beating “just Seth”, I’m fine. Because I honestly know what Seth is trying to do. So maybe that cushions the blow a bit, because I know what Seth is going for.
And with that said, I have a hard time fighting Guile. Well, I have a fun time fighting good Guiles, but I lose all the time to bad Guiles. It’s a character I use, so I’m naturally not expecting a Guile player to do certain things. I get mindfucked when I’m playing a lousy Guile player, because I’m not expecting as much stupid stuff.
These are other practical factors in matchups. For example, if you can block C. Vipers flame kicks all of the time, then how does the C.VIper player react? Maybe you’re trained to counter every flame kick, then what does the C. Viper player have? That’s all she needs to win the Guile matchup in theory. But what if you know a way aroud it? Then you’re playing your opponent who may just be psyched out and out of options.
When I play in tournaments (the only matches that matter to me these days), I know I’m playing a bad matchup. But I’m trying to see how much I can get away from the character and into the opponent. Guile has the tools to make that happen, because he has options. That’s all I’ve been trying to say.
This is what I find annoying about the SRK Guile community. For the last year, all I’ve heard most of people do is bitch. I mean we already know the guy is low tier. So why are you complaining about him? You could have went to another character a long time ago. For the last year you spent with Guile, you could have put an equal amount of time into Sagat or Ryu. I mean if you look at the moaning from SRK, you’d get the impression that Guile is just a usless character with no options, and every matchup is unwinnable.
Personally I have fun with Guile. I recongnize his imperfections. But I’ve had fun taking him to tournaments, sometimes losing and sometimes winning. And if I get raped by a character, I go to the lad, practice, and come up with a strategy. Whatever happened to that? It’s like you guys try to do one thing in a matchup and when it doesn’t work then “so and so beats Guile free”.
Have I ever lost to Seth? Yes I have. Have I ever won against Sagat? Yes I have. Yeah, I can a little salty about it, but the fun of using guile is findind a way to win. I’ve used low tier characters in the past. I’ve played Hugo in 3s. And I’ve lost. And guessd what? I had no way to come up with a real gameplan to win. I like Guile because at least he has a gameplan he can come up with. It’s so much easier to sit on SRK and cry all day than to think of something new to do. I’ll keep rolling with Guile and trying to improve my game. You just go ahead and keep bitching about his matchup. See what end up being a better productive use of time.
Brahn I really want to know where you go to get your competition because if it’s only online I swear stop posting things to confuse Guile players.
You can’t post that the Seth matchup is 5-5 then 6-4 in Guile’s favor if you are contradicting your statement with this: “I probably couldn’t beat a good Seth. But beating a good Seth isn’t the same as beating Seth.”
And this is just ridiculous, “The same as beating Guile with Sagat. I’m sure the average Sagat player can beat Guile, but I doubt he could beat a good Guile.” Obviously an average Sagat wouldn’t be able to win against a GOOD Guile those are two different levels of play.
Tier lists aren’t based on AVERAGE players they are based on HIGH LEVEL competition. Sure I can beat wack ass Sagats and Seths too but try to play ones that know exactly what they are doing and you will change your tune quick.
First of all, I only started playing online like ummm a few months ago. and I suck online. I almost got 10 straight by some dude I could own for free offline. I like murdered this guy at a tournament, and he totally raped me online. I don’t take online play seriously.
I’ve been attending SFIV tournaments all year. All I know is offline play. And I’m from Atlanta, and last time I checked our low tier players destroy people in Tennesee. so as far as you are concerned, I’m playing competition that’s better than yours. and I’m not even being condescending, tournament results proves GA is better by levels. So I am competing with the GA competition just fine, and I’m basing it totally on people I’ve playd in tournaments and OFFLINE
