…but you gotta admit Dee Jay’s alt costume is pretty on point. So he’ll at least be able to max out in style as opposed to the Charlie vest and lame other vest Guile gets in super. It’s hard to see, but he’s in between Juri and Chuni with text over his face.
Although if he gets his stunna shades at his #10 color or something, that will be nice. After all the family man’s glasses are mirrored so you can see youself cry when he beats you down!
Like Maxxx said, Machine Gun Upper I for sure guarantee can be FADC into either Ultra that alone makes him more potent. His zoning will be far superior as well from what I am told by Jason Wilson, I’m just learning these things but he said Dee Jay has always just been better than Guile anyways. Also that lk sobat I feel is going to be killer for footsies and pressure, startup invul will rule that gray area between your opponent. Guile’s sobat covers that but it doesn’t have start up invul like Dee Jay’s. Jason was also telling me that for Dee Jay all you have to do is learn his ranges since they are different than Guile.
funny that all the buffs guile needed is shown through another charge character.
Not funny “ha ha” though, more like funny /facepalm.
You mean to say funny “ho ho”…not funny “ha ha”.
Anywho, it’s pretty bad people are jumping ship for DJ (can’t say I don’t blame em’)…but until release…I’m sticking with Guile.
Yeah it is sad but from the looks of things, DJ is looking more like a “better” version of guile, pretty much like how ryu is the better of the shoto than ken.
Dee Jay is like a newb version of Guile. Seriously. He exist for people who don’t know how to use Guile. Like all those PSN Guiles who throw one sonic boom, abuse sweep and try to jump in for a combo. Dee Jay is for people who have no spacing game since everthing he has is easier. Still in the long run Guile will always be better because Dee Jay is just a one trick pony. Its the same as Ken. Ken shit is way easier than Ryu’s but Ryu is usually always the better character. Sorry no thank you to Guile light. Dee Jay is for Gule players who
I don’t know if DJ is a “one-trick” Pony…But I get exactly what you saying, and agree. I read your little debate between you and JohnGrimm on the Dudley thread…the guy had his points…but he never achknowledge’d your zoning and spacing talk…not once actually.
Yeah, I’m nominating your piece. It’s a simple, and direct conclusion of comparing DJ to Guile.
It’s because dee jay has better TOOLS than guile - i.e he can do pretty much what guile can do but better thus is easier as a result. If you had the choice of two character that play the same but one can do it better then there’s no REAL incentive to pick the other one unless he has distinct features that says otherwise. From what we can see thus far, it doesn’t look like guile has anything distinct that would make you pick guile over DJ in terms of what he can do. The only reason why you’d stay with guile is just for the pride of using guile or simply because you like the APPEARANCE of the character.
Same with ryu vs ken, everything ken is able to do ryu can do it better and more, ryu has a better SRK, fireball, footsies etc. Ken is not a newb character in SF4, he is in fact harder to use than ryu because his tools are so much inferior than ryus. However at least there are actual distinct features which would make you pick one over the other, in this case, ken can dish out more damage and is a better rushdown character and also has kara throws whereas ryu is a better zoner. I don’t see how you can say ken shit is easier in SF4 when he has the same sort of tools as ryu but more INFERIOR.
Like how ken is inferior to ryu (in SF4), it might be the same with guile and DJ, guile would pretty much be the ken and DJ would be ryu in terms of charge characters.
LOL.
ken is far more execution oriented then ryu.
Guile will never be as good as deejay, never was. Instead of being ignorant, look at all the past games they were both in.
GG.
How is Ken in any way easier to use than Ryu?
you best be trollin’…
Clearly he’s been playing against too many flowchart kens or plays a flowchart ken against the computer AI. Next he’ll be saying dan is the easier character compared to ryu.
I agree. Not giving up Guile for shit! I’m going to main him in SSF4 whether people thinks he sucks or not. I really doubt that he has as many problems as he does in this game, and if that is the case then I feel I can be good and compete at a much higher level. Family Man for life. FTW… lol. I’m going to probably pick up someone else too but Guile is going to get 85% of my time and attention. Dee Jay talk should be in the Dee Jay thread anyway guys.
I’ve never played any other SF game outside of this one, so you are probably right; however, I don’t think we can assume that Dee Jay will be better than Guile just because that’s how it was in the past. It could be a 5-5 match up between the two of them, you never know. Wasn’t Ken top tier in one of the previous SF games (Not sure, someone mentioned this to me though)? And know look at him…
To be fair, Deejay was only better than Guile after repeated nerfs that kept Guile from being top tier
Flash kick fadc Airthrow. Fuck yeah. It’d be the ultimate insult.
Flash kick, not in my airspace. Airthrow, sit your ass down.
I’m a long time ST player. Dee Jay is a one trick pony.n His entire game is just getting in for a crossup and doing a combo/mixup. When he isnt able to do that then he’s usually turtling. And while his normals have good range on then he can’t play footsies for that long since he usually has terrible startup and recovery on his limbs. He has almost no anti air game. His up kick is far inferior to flashkick. Dee Jay has limited or gimmicky defensive options. His long limbs hurt him in air to air as weell. Really easy for most characters to anticipate his jumps and counter accordingly. Guile’s matchup chart was better in ST than Dee Jay. In Japan Dee Jay is far more under utilized despite being a much easier character. Dee Jay is really easy to figure out once people know the matchup. Like I said one trick pony. He’s Guile if Guile had to rely on gimmicks. Dee Jay has always been mediocore gimmicks and shenniigans. And for people who say Dee Jay has always been bette rthen Guile, I call bullshit on that. I doubt you’ve played previous games.
Ken is easier to user than Ryu. Ken has easier combo ability. So you can convert random low pokes into combos way easier with him. Ken ideal range is also in your face. From an execution and strategic viewpoint Ken is just easier to utilize. tier list be damned.
Ryu is far more reliant on spacing and zoning all which takes a long time to master. Because Ryu has more option he generally takes longer to learn. And because he’s always been so versatile, you also have to have good judgement. These things don’t exist as mch for Ken. Ken knows where he wants to be in most of his matchups so all Ken players need to worry about are combos and mixups.
You aren’t going to make Ryu competitive without putting a great deal of time into him. The same can’t be said for Ken.
The same exist for Guile and Dee Jay. Guile is only worse because he’s harder to use. His gameplan isn’t as easy to implement as Dee Jay’s. However Gu7ile has far greater versaility and options in situations where Dee Jay gets shut down. I will admit he fights Blanka way easier than Guile does.
errr? you do know ryu has more linkable normals than ken, I mean he can bloody do c.MP, c.MP, c.HK, he has like 101 ways of comboing into his ultra and his overall moves are BETTER than kens, his SRK is superior to kens, has a faster fireball with better recovery and his tatsus go over fireballs, he even MOVES faster than ken, again how you come to the conclusion that ken is easier to use than ryu i REALLY don’t know, we’re talking SF4 here not any previous games.
Yes ken needs to be in your face but there’s so much more to it than that, saying that ken players need to worry about are combos and mixups and thats all is wrong, if you’re saying that about ken then you’re probably gonna say the same about sakura as well? wtf, the thing you got to consider is actually GETTING to your ideal range to begin with, ryu doesn’t so much have to rely on range as much because he has the tools necessary to fight well from a distance AND at footsie range, ken doesn’t even really excel in the rushdown department either.
Sure it takes time to make ryu competitive but it takes even MORE time to get competitive with ken because his tools just aren’t as good.
