I will take a crack at it, anyone feel free to correct me if I am wrong.
Flash Kick>FADC>EX Boom doesn’t work because the amount time a dash eats up (19 frames for forward and 26 frames for back) eclipses the input window for ex-boom (active on 11th frame). Currently FADC or naked dash Ultra (forward or back dash) works because the input window for ultra (thanks to Gilley for info) is 28 frames, which means that the input window eclipses the dash meaning that move can still be “accessed” after dash. This is why you can do a walking Ultra with Guile (charge db, walk forward for <1/4 second and finish Ultra). By walking forward he is losing access to the charge for booms or FK’s, but still has that 28 frame window for Ultra (or super). You can actually see him walking forward a little for non-pre-charged booms as well, since he is “losing” charge but activating the boom during the input window for a boom.
So, Flash Kick>FADC>SH could work, because you could access the input window for the ultra after the dash. Something like this:
:db:charge:ub::k: then(on fk hit) :mp::mk: :r::r::l::r::3p: This should be done fast to access the “lost” charge as soon as dash animation finishes.
Except if that were the case, why aren’t Guile’s doing that right now? Those directional requirements would have no impact on db > ub (k) > FADC > f-f > b >uf (3K).
The only difference they’re talking about would be changing the last uf input to a f input… Though I suppose technically you wouldn’t start losing charge until you started dashing O.o… shit maybe that would work (because the issue atm is that you already start losing your charge when you release DB to do the flash kick).
And to those confused–Ultra charges are held for awhile, it’s how you can FA > Ultra and Dash > Ultra. You don’t “lose the charge” the moment you let go of the direction, it’s there for 20 someodd frames.
So, assuming FK is similar to vanilla SF4, we can force a trade with HK FK and do SH.
I’m hoping that the leaker is right about Guile being able to FK FADC U2 but I hope it isn’t done the way Dagger G suggested. I can dash Ultra pretty consistently (70% success rate) but still, Dagger G’s theory about comboing into U2 is way fucking harder than SRK FADC Ultra, Headbutt Ultra, or any of the million ways Rufus lands an Ultra.
Well Dagger_G is right. @Kich.FK FADC Ultra 1 doesnt work becuase:After moving the input from db, you have 26 frames to do ultra.The input for FK can take 1 input (u+k), it has 4 frames of startup, and causes between 12-15 frames of hit freeze.That is a minimun of 17 frames after charge already.Focusing the FK takes 3 frames(the part where you see guile flash yellow) , but we’ll skip this in our count, because we will be WAAAYYY after the limit of 26 anyways.The dash takes 19 frames and finishing the ultra input after the dash takes 1 more frame ,making a total of at 39-45 frames, which is WAY more than the 26 frames limit to execute the ultra after letting the down-back input.
Sonichurricane being back charge removes worries of Flash kick causing hit freeze, because the timer for the 26 frames will start only AFTER the FADC.So for that, the math will be.Flash kick done with UB, Focus the FK,forward(from now you have 26 frames to finish the input), foward.This is the dash.After the dash you still have 7 frames, an if you buffered the remaining inputs( back, forward) during it, you have 7 frames to press PPP.
Now can we please close this subject?
I’ll be honest, I really want them to buff guile in this game because he was one of my mains in ST but at the same time as a Dictator player I kind of hope he doesn’t.
there are so many things people say need buffing, and honestly i think just having an easy/reliable way into ultra would throw him right solidly in the mid, to upper mid tier, where he should be. He’s a character for the old school, you gotta use footsies/zoning/spacing to win, no huge flashy shit, just good old fashioned street fighter (well sorta…). i don’t care whats changed for super, as long as that sonic hurricane is easy to confirm, or at least usable in more situations, i’m going to keep maining guile
I am going to have to change my stance toward the Flash Explosion… they NEED to change the command to QCFx2…
previously, I was adamant about maintaining a charge motion to keep it with the spirit of the character… but now that most of the charge characters have a second ultra that doesn’t have a charge motion, there is less reason to keep it that way…
the biggest thing is that if I am correct about the Sonic Hurricane… it’s going to super fucking useful, even without a FADC juggle… and will be enough for Guile to leapfrog several tiers(i don’t want to get into details, just in case “someone” is reading)…
no amount of tinkering with the Flash Explosion will be enough reason for anyone to use this move… even giving it the same command as SH would not be enough… it would have to be a QCFx2 motion to give it any sort of edge over the SH…
in fact, nothing else needs to be changed…you can keep all the same properties it has right now…
Yeah, the main reason why I main guile is because of how he plays…just based on pure knowledge and skill you can make him into a beast.
Buut having almost NO shennanigans like balrog or ryu to help him out, and on top of that just putting out SUB PAR damage really hurts your game.
Combos are hard as fuck to hit confirm and hard as fuck to pull.(consistently)
Really having only 2 tools and one is kinda broken just sucks ass.
Now I’m NO WAY as skilled with guile as some people but I can manage my own.
( that and blazblue is what I play now).
And as far as I’m concerned he needs a damage boost and a better FK asap!
Booms can do a little bit more damage and chip.
Comboing into ultra isn’t nececarry but would be hella nice to have as long as your smart about what your doing.
You can just frustrate the shit out of someone and make him come to you.
Jeff schaeffer said it best. " make them play into your playstyle" as long as you can reach them and not you, you are always in control.
And if that don’t work you gotta adapt.
Main reason why he sucks now is cause once you get tagged for something ( rog headbut ultra or something) its really really hard to comeback from that cause of his stupid low damage output.
Same thing with having such a shitty low stun value. Somone lands a combo and dizzie you (your fault IMO) your fucked!
I really hope that guile doesn’t suck so bad again cause if he does I’m done with SF4.
At least in ST and other games he was actually good.
Reading Mr.Wiz ssf4 final build play opinions makes me want to know if he did not go into the nuances and delve deep into testing the characters. What he said about Guile was disappointing.
Guys he played the game one day.Maybe played guile like what?5 minutes?In one day you can’t find out the framedata improvements on normals or if his flash kick is better.You can’t notice subtle differences like these, which actually matter a lot, even for a character in a day.But to post info for 30 characters?It’s very vague.The best we can do is wait and test it ourselves when it comes out.Just belive in Capcom.
I wonder if Guile can FK --> FADC --> Ultra in the iPhone version of the game… lol
It’s possible considering Ultras/Supers are executed by pressing the bar. So it only makes sense that you can for the iPhone port.
Now, some how, PS3/X360 needs to integrate touch screen into their consoles and the tvs and we’re all set. No more business about Guile not being able to FADC into Ultra I. lol
