Haha, JohnPwns. I’m glad I’m not the only one who has ran into this guy a few thousand times.
And they say if you close your eyes and listen quietly on a clear night, you can still hear the sound of JohnPwns’ Xbox searching in the dark… Questing for that perfect 3s connection.
im not sure why there is still any argument? its a proven fact EX moves are not 100% and its definitely not arcade perfect. what else is there to argue or deny? this dude promised “arcade perfect,” its not “arcade perfect,” go back to playing ps2 imo. at least you know what youre getting into and the game is really close to arcade aside from the speed being a little bit faster.
Anyone else have there 3SO data corrupted and lose all of their trial completions? Also if anyone is interested JR played JohnPwns and uploaded it.
Nothing was lost either way. What good is Rank points if 90% of the people online are SF4 scrubs? Those trials are fucking garbage too.
I’d be fine if it wiped my rank but that’s still there but I’m a completionist and I almost had all the trials done.
Yeah, it sucks that it isn’t arcade perfect. False advertising, Derek Neal sucks, all that. There is no way for me to play this game in an arcade perfect form though, so I don’t see the point in dropping the 360 port when PS2 and emulation aren’t accurate either and from the sound of things they’re all “wrong” in different ways. Isn’t the PS2 port messed up on a couple other things besides speed, as well? I’ve always been under the impression that the PS2 port was not that well regarded.
It’s alright… It just doesn’t have the unblockables and Gouki’s notorious punch can be thrown etc etc etc (aside from the speed thing)… This is actually a big deal for overall game balance and function (link timing)… but you can play around it to an extent. It only weakens a few characters in a few matchups so it’s annoying but whatever. I’m still down with just using FBA emulation until I can get a cab for our area.
Akuma’s F+MP overhead type move is throwable on PS2. That issue does not apply in arcade and emulation.
Also PS2 3s is the fastest port, a bit faster than emu version, too.
It includes the Arranged 3s OST, which is great (Sounds Good).
It was still praised as a good port. Rightfully so.There is a main menu with all the necessary options, like training, replay, etc. On emu you have to use savestate and load state to train your combos. Repeat pressing load state to try the combo again on a character (not counting cheats to create a pseudo-practice mode with unlimited lifebar/powerbar enabled. Those cheats are supported in specific emulators).
Good thing, we play PS2 3s on a CRT TV.
I don’t understand the complete hate against this game. I had never played 3s prior to this release, and it’s probably the best fighting game I’ve ever played. Online is kind of awful because I get matched up with yellow americans and stuff constantly, but feels alright when playing other europeans with good internet.
I suppose if you haven’t played 3S beforehand or have little experience with the game, then sure, 3SO may seem fine and will probably suffice for these players. But to the people who have been playing it for years, whether offline or even on GGPO, this game is generally regarded as complete trash and I can’t argue with them. How they managed to succeed in actually making the GGPO netcode experience worse while having access to the original CPS3 code is beyond me. The very same people that I’ve had absolutely no problems playing with on GGPO, pings ranging from 40-70ms or so, are now at times almost unplayable due to the constant rollbacks, unsynchronized sound effects, and teleports.
Pile on the fact that Capcom marketed the game as an “arcade perfect” port when it is anything but, it’s easy to see why many OG 3S players are disgruntled. Especially those who no longer have access to a cab and are stuck with either playing this or nothing at all. Fuck Capcom.
Uh yeah, that seems a bit dramatic. I’m not seeing a lot of negative feedback anywhere except here, honestly. Which in a way makes sense, I’d expect that a lot of 3S enthusiasts would gather here. But the general gaming community’s response has been positive. See for example the GameFAQs rating average:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/xbox360/603536-street-fighter-iii-third-strike-online-edition
which is pretty well inline with the Metacritic score. The problems with this port are a big deal to some of us, but for most people they’re not going to matter as much. “Complete trash” is way overboard. It’s a non-arcade perfect port with a few issues and awful online play. That seems like a reasonable summary to me.
Which was the point I was trying to get across in my first sentence. Most players who are picking it up may very well like it, and that’s awesome. But for the rest of the players who happen to be die-hard fans of the game, who were suckered into purchasing a title that claimed to be arcade perfect have every right to be pissed off at this mess. I mean my god, the game even suffers from dropped EX inputs while playing offline. Meanwhile, they’re trying to sell people horrendous color packs while the majority of the game’s problems have remained intact since day one? Hell outta here…
I think IglooBob is the most annoying ‘silver lining’ motherfucker on SRK.
So you’re under the impression that all die-hard fans of the game think it’s “complete trash?” Drop the promises and how Derek Neal sucks for a moment and just look at the port on it’s own merits, and compared to the other ways we have for playing 3S outside of the arcade. It has issues, just like emulation. Just like the PS2 port. You guys are combining two separate discussions. “This port is awful” and “this port is not what was promised” are really not the same thing.
And we went over this earlier, but apparently the angry crowd have chosen to ignore it so I’ll bring it up again: half the people playing this game are not seeing dropped EX inputs offline. Which means either it only happens sometimes for some people, or it’s an execution issue. Let’s stop pretending that there’s a consensus on the dropped inputs because nothing resembling one has been established. There have been no tests, and the numbers on people who say they’ve noticed it are split.
See, you’re misrepresenting me. I’m not looking for a silver lining, and I’m disappointed that the port isn’t what was promised. But the discussion here has been kind of dramatic. I am all for people being pissed that they promised arcade perfect with good GGPO netplay and delivered neither. That sucks. I for one bought a 360 and a stick to play under that promise, and I think it’s sucky that I spent that money under false pretenses. But now that I have spent that money, I have to look at my situation.
I can play 3S on PC with some input lag and fast gameplay speed. I can play it on PS2 with a couple minor issues and really fast gameplay speed, and no online. Or I can play it on 360 with a bad training mode, a couple accuracy issues, speed that’s closer to arcade, and crappy online play. For me that is a real choice and I’m still deciding whether I like the PS2 or the 360 more for this game. If they patched the myriad of problems and glitches with the 360 port, it might end up being the one I play on. If not, I’ll probably go back to PS2 and remember to never trust Capcom’s promises of arcade perfect again.
But acting like the port itself is an unworkable mess that is clearly worse than the PS2 ports and emulation is just silly. It won’t help me have more fun with the game, it won’t get my money back, and I’d be being dishonest with myself. Twelve’s voice not working correctly is not going to kill me on this. If I were seeing these rumored dropped EX inputs at all, that’d probably be a deal breaker for me. But I’m not seeing them, and I’ve played long enough on PS2 and emulation that I’d notice if they were happening to me. Besides a couple accuracy issues and supposed EX inputs, I haven’t seen much criticism for this game besides the training mode.
Now for the online play, I think there can be no excuse. They screwed that up royally, delivered something that as far as I can tell is worse than GGPO was, and does not resemble playing 3S offline at all. It’s like playing a version of 3S with parries that only work sometimes, hit confirms that only work sometimes, frequent dropped inputs, and glitches all over the place. I’ve yet to see anyone defend that junk and I won’t be the first.
But in the overall picture in relation to 3SOE, I see it as two kinds of people: people who can play 3S in arcade, and people who can’t. If you have access to an arcade, your attitude is likely to be “this port is not arcade perfect, it sucks, I’ll keep playing in arcade.” I agree that seems sensible. For the rest of us though, who live nowhere near an active arcade, it becomes a question of “which port has the least amount of things wrong with it.” I think there’s a real choice to be made there and it’s not cut and dry yet. If it turns out we can confirm that the EX moves drop when you input the right commands, then the OE port is likely dead in the water. That’s a big deal. Until we have something firm on that I’m withholding judgment.
True that. The dropped EX moves seem to vary from console to console with Emu being the most accurate next to real arcade.
Is this an HD TV issue? Bad coding?
Noone has ever reported ex issues on ps2 either. Yet, It’s not even half powerful as the xbox or ps3. I do not see why I am forced to use a macro shortcut when
ex moves are supposed to come out when you press any 2 kicks/punches.
Well, the training mode is not all that bad. Not for a new 3s player, at least. The parry trials are a plus.
Yes, 3sOE is not a “seem-less” online experience. Most ppl have bought it for the particular ggpo features. No doubt, many players had high hopes for the online play in 3sOE, espeacially when ggpo requires so much processor power for a decent netplay at least. If they patch the online issues on both ps3 and xbl and this actually work, it may justify the title “Online Edition”. It’s only “Offline Edition” so far.
I can agree with what your saying about the whole sensibility angle here… But I have to say the comments saying the game is “trash” is more focused on how buggy every aspect of it is along with the failure of the port and the ggpo implementation and the poor post launch support. All of this together makes it a pretty crappy port. A disappointing purchase. I think it failed to accomplish it’s goals, stated or otherwise. I think that’s fair. Then again, I was looking for something very specific. I’m not claiming to be a universal example.
I think you are taking some hyperbole from alot of the posters for an actual argument when it’s really just cathartic language in many of the cases. Any of the actual criticisms were mostly well stated and weren’t too far overboard. Fluff surrounds some of it for sure. That’s what makes threads like this an accurate picture of how people feel and not the actual truth. I mean look at the title.
I don’t want to get all pseudo intellectual, but everyone has a number of things that they consider to be true and the general consensus here, is that 3soe sucks. So in this case it could be considered the truth, or atleast for us since we are all obviously being honest here (why anyone would lie about the matter I have no idea).
Truth in the context of generally accepted “fact or fiction”… consensus reality… not so much the idea of honesty. I see your point though.
I meant more like allegory of the cave/Matrix keanu!/rips another bong hit “Truth”.
That dude brought up reviews around the internet as proof. I was refuting this larger opinion and claiming it was invalid in this thread.
Not to mention the reviews were done before alot of these problems were even known.
The people who are dissapointed with this 3s rerelease are the old fans of this game not new 3s players. Experienced players from arcade tourneys in their country or overseas, online players who got tired of the online lag/frameskips in ggpo or it never worked well in their pc builds and simple fans playing on ps2 or emu for years. Those players had really high expectations of this 3s port. Hence, instant buy as soon as it was released. I am sure everyone would prefer to play on this port than the ps2 or emu. Unfortunately, the bugs/glitches , the uninteresting dlc content and the new ost did not meet everyone’s wishes. Who would expect the opposite?