All I’m going to say is that Emulation is better than 3SOE or the PS2 port. If you disagree with that then you’re on meth.
Oh ok.
get bent.
Dude…
If reaper does not talk seriously, he may join this forum and say that himself.
reaper’s opinion is not the only one which differs from yours. Like I said, there is a debate on that forum, mostly about that BSNES.
I used to play ZSNES. That emulator was running faster on my older PC build than snes9x. So, from my experience, I can confirm not all emulators lag the same. Why you keep posting these numbers, 30-50ms lag, etc? It’s obvious, when we play offline on emu/conso, we barely notice it.
The lag talk about offline delay does not affect EX moves on emu 3s/ps2 3s for sure. Not just EX MOVES, super cancels and anything else complicated works fine there. Fact, the EX moves are more responsive on emulated 3s either its 2P or 3P or a macro button than the ps3/xbl port. I am not convinced in any way that this game could have been released on consoles only. My opinion that a PC version would be slightly better , more responsive, stands still.
“Running faster,” whether you’re talking about events happening faster (a known emulation inaccuracy with zsnes because it runs at the wrong clock speed) or a higher fps (which would be odd, they both have really low system requirements) is not the same as lag. I don’t know where you’re reading debate, most of that topic is people trying to figure out how much lag is the bsnes’ fault and what they can do to minimize lag in emulation. There’s no serious argument that PC emulation doesn’t lag. There may be a post or two from random people saying “no lag here, feels great!” but you’ll find those in any HDTV or lag-related thread on the internet.
I’ll cut my argument short there. It’s not really on-topic and I doubt too many people want to keep reading this stuff. I will note though that 30-50 ms of lag as a minimum floor is not good. Considering the list of things that bug people about this port, my guess is people here are pretty sensitive to getting it right. 2-3 frames of added lag will matter in a game like 3S especially.
leave ZSNES/BSNES and ALL THEIR ISSUES ALONE PLZ. I am not interested. They work?You can play smooth without anything seriously noticeable? It’s fine.
nFBA has 1 frame delay only. The rest is added from your pc build and monitor. Therefore, it varies for each PC, but it’s still low enough to let you perform any moves you like. I know that it worked flawlessly on my PC (which is far from a decent gaming PC).
Ok so the translation into short-speak is:
“3sOE is worse than PC emulation because emulation at least allows the inputs to work correctly.”
The counter argument is:
“No, emulation has more input delay due to it’s nature and it runs at a speed that is more incorrect than 3sOE. I’ll take console over PC, thanks.”
And those are the two opinions. One favors consistency and one favors general accuracy/approximation of overall “feel”.
I think it’s just a choose your poison situation. Different players are disrupted worse by different things. Either way we can all agree 3sOE is just a different flavor of failure.
Oh, I’m not making an argument about which is better. For the last few posts I’ve just been defending my statement “PC emulation adds input lag over original hardware.” That’d be pretty non-controversial in some circles, but it’s apparently something that needed defense in this case.
Yeah that sounds about right. OE is more offensive as well, because at least FBA never claimed it was an arcade perfect love letter to the fans.
I want my money back. I bought this game for the “seem-less” online experience and so far I get nothing but teleporters, un-hit hit confirms and people that resurrect after I K.O. them. Not even Marvel seemed as shenanigan like as this.
Give me my money back Capcom!
i played on an hd for the first time today because the old crt died suddenly.
holy shit how does anyone play this game on hd. the delay was so bad!
good thing I had another crt or OE would be 100% worthless.
Hope there’s room for one more on the hate train. Get off work and want to play for a bit and I couldn’t get past the “synching stats” logo for anything (ranked, player match.) Tried everything, so I gave up and played cpu instead (had a better time anyways.)
I love that “syncing stats” bug. I get trapped in it for a day or so sometimes. Nothing seems to fix it not even turning the console off and on again.
Ugh… Can’t… control it… rantmode!
My favorite OE feature (of the day) is that not only did they flub porting over someone else’s code but they couldn’t even do well the stuff they added in themselves.
Check out that rank (not that it means anything) bug. Someone didn’t realize 0 counts as a value in computer code? Cool. So you just got out of school for this orrrrr what? Good show, Iron Galaxy. What’s that? Oh you fixed that rank bug? Well let me just download that patch and… oh… wait you didn’t fix the rank bug you just added a few more ranks and it still breaks at cap? Holy shit.
At this point I’m willing to bet the GGPO implementation wasn’t even done correctly. Good thing there’s no numeric pings or any kind of diagnostics for it. Wouldn’t want accountability would we…
Oh man rantmode wearing off…
…feeling waves of shame and regret…
Ok done venting for the day. Thanks thread.
^This is actually the first time I’ve dealt with this bug and I’ve had the game for over 2 months now. Hope it fixes itself
Mine usually does at some point the next day. Still can’t figure out what causes it. Has happened a handful of times on our house setups. One slim and one fat white version 360.
I’ve been convinced of this since I first bought the game. The online worked better in GGPO in my experience, and you’d expect the opposite. People used to say about 3S GGPO “it’s a little iffy because we don’t have access to the source code and have to send more information to the person you’re playing against.” Obviously Iron Galaxy has the source code for their version of the game and playing online in OE is whack.
Tried to play a little and the whole thing was basically broken tonight. Nice!
One of the suckier bugs is when you play someone in ranked, then instead of going back out to the menus it automatically makes you both rematch. I think it only counts the result of the second match, so if you won the first and lost the second it’ll count as a loss overall.
One of the most bizarre ones to me is when you try and join a player match lobby and it takes forever to connect and you get sick of it and cancel it early. Then you go out and try and do a lobby search again to refresh the list and suddenly you find yourself in that lobby you were trying to join before except now it’s full of all sorts of different people and you are last in line.
That one is really confusing.
Also. Ranked match and you see a bad ping or an AFK opponent (like our buddy John) so you dip back out and back in to search for a new opponent and … oh hey look it’s JohnPwns again! FUCK!
tired of this game freezing on me during casuals when it shows that dumb who’s ranked highest thing. I got the rank 0 19084310228310283021830 points glitch, had to hard reset my PS3.
Just eliminate that garbage screen in general, I hate looking at the damn thing. Add a optional choice in the options menu called short mode or some crap.
btw fuck commercial hd set ups for any fighting game.
oh god JohnPwns, that name strikes horror into my heart
has anyone ever actually fought him? I certainly have not. I suspect that he bought 3SOE, started looking for a ranked match, and then died. no one knows he’s dead and his Xbox searches for matches into eternity.
I played him once. He played very poorly. I think my roommate got one game against him too and that was it. Back when it first came out… since then, nothing.
We have this running joke … the story goes like this:
You are at a 3s tournament and some guy ahead of you is registering.
“And what’s your handle?”
"JohnPwns"
the guy to his left immediately punches him
"Hey it’s JohnPwns, get him!"
JohnPwns falls to the floor and everyone starts kicking and stomping on him
Anytime you fill out an application you have no intention of following up on or enter a bogus raffle contest or you hit a car and have to leave a note or you steal something or burn shit down and leave a calling card… Make sure the name on the card is JohnPwns.