Canonical Tier List

Classic Fighting Games Ultimate Marvel VS Capcom 3
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Even worse than the marvel one.

Mine (that I posted a while ago) :

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[INDENT=1]SS :[/INDENT]

[INDENT=1]Amaterasu, Morrigan[/INDENT]

[INDENT=1]S :[/INDENT]

[INDENT=1]Zero, Dante, Vergil, Trish, V.Joe, Strider Hiryu.[/INDENT]

[INDENT=1]A :[/INDENT]

[INDENT=1]Arthur, Firebrand, Felicia, Hsien-Ko, Akuma[/INDENT]

[INDENT=1]B :[/INDENT]

[INDENT=1]Ryu, Wesker, Spencer[/INDENT]

[INDENT=1]C :[/INDENT]

[INDENT=1]Chris, Jill, Haggar, Chun-Li, C.Viper[/INDENT]

[INDENT=1]D :[/INDENT]

[INDENT=1]Frank West, Phoenix Wright.[/INDENT]

No real order in the tiers and with a couple of fixes since the actual post. Grouped them based on the thinking that they’d beat people below but not above and inside could relatively be a toss-up, or just slights jumps in power. S is pretty big as it is but I don’t see those below beat them. I don’t know much about DMC but I feel they’re good where they are.

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At least I didn’t leave anybody out, Mr. negativity :stuck_out_tongue:

Even tho you say that, the lists are almost the same excepting you have it grouped instead of listed (which is a lot easier).

You have Arthur WAY too high though… He’s limited by his weapons, dies if anything touches him, and has no special abilities to speak of except a strong throwing arm and sometimes jumping twice… So to put it another way, he’s weak and fragile and has no powers to compensate for it.

Also don’t get why so many people hate on Chun so much. You have her listed with a number of people that don’t have any powers at all, and below somebody whose only power is a Metal Arm/Grappling hook…

Letters are lame, but If I were to do it by groups, I’d do it this way:

God: Ammy, Morrigan

Transhuman: Dante/Virgil, Akuma, Other Darkstalkers, Zero

Superhuman: Ryu, Chun Li, Firebrand, Wesker, Strider, Trish, Joe

Enhanced: Tron, Viper, Spencer, Jill

Strong Human: Arthur, Chris, Haggar, Frank, Phoenix Wright

Edit: Its worth noting that the top 4 Marvel laugh at the entire Capcom Roster either way.

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How are we implementing the scarce, althought still noticable crossovers between characters in the capcom universe.

Dante was in Viewtiful Joe, though he was an afterthought. but they do know each other, and their conversation and back and forth during the times they do see each other, give the impression that joe can fight on even ground with dante.

In the megaman games, X and zero are assumed to be of equal strength, if not, X being slightly superior, correct? How do people take the fact that when X is taught how to do Ryus Hadou-Ken, it allows him to one-shot everything in the game. does that means that Ryu is vastly stronger than everyone in the megaman universe to that level?

Also, Arthur is hard to place based on the contrast between his in game abilities, and his in game feats.

It would appear that his physical abilities alone arent anything special, probably around the level of slightly below haggar, He is strong enough to pick up anybody in Marvel three and toss them to the ground. as well as being a solid jumper, with a good amount of power in his throwing arm.

But I think that his magical abilitys far outweigh any physical feats he could accomplish. Even though he uses midevil weapons, he has imbued them with enough magical power to kill demons up to and including satan himself… So… yea…

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This is why cross-world stuff is so tricky, you could also take the hadouken thing to mean that SF people could just annihilate the entire MM universe with 1 punch.

Really though, both that and the Dante/Joe thing are probably best ignored. They’re cute in-jokes, not really reflecting how the characters are supposed to be.

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Do we have to go over again how Arthur is the most skilled fighter in the Capcom side? His combat skill is transcendant in spite of his frail body. He beats Lucifer and Astaroth and anything else that Hell throws at him straight up. There’s no chance that any of the SF characters could beat him, he’d beat most if not all of the Darkstalkers, and everybody else he’d trash for free. Red Arremer basically concocts his own version of the Infinity Gauntlet, and then decides he doesn’t need it and breaks it up and tosses it. Morrigan’s pretty big, but she’s neither king of Hell nor a god of creation, so she’s down there somewhere.

So the list for Capcom should go like this:
Amaterasu
Arthur
Red Arremer
others

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I don’t know, man…Zero can’t be all that powerful…X has to put his bitch ass back together every other game. He quickly fills the “Vegeta” role in the MMX games.

647

In fairness, Marvel guys have died and come back several times.
And Zero dying in X5 was because that was supposed to be the last game in the series (and we all know how that turned out).

But yeah, a lot of Zero’s power winds up really just being word-of-God, where everyone in the setting says it, but what actually happens doesn’t really match up. Still, having a lightsaber and downloading new tricks from your enemies, among other abilities, is a lot more than can be said for some of the cast.

648

okay who’s stronger

person who can sink island
can teleport
has great fighting capability

person who is lift 1200 lbs
can run a mile in 73 seconds
has great fighting capability

w/o plot or anything cap would get bombed on. feel like im just talking to someone who says marvel>>>all cause it’s mahvel. even comic vine agrees that akuma would beat cap, iron fist etc w/o plot. no, i don’t think akuma can beat higher ups.

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Hiryu, Firebrand, Joe and Trish would beat the 3 others in their tier clean.

Spencer is also more powerful than everyone in his tier.

Same thing with Arthur and Haggar. Arthur is way too low.

Tron is Tron. I don’t know where to put her since I haven’t played any mml. explain what she can do and It would help.

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Arthur is the ultmate subject of the ‘weak world’ thing. Freaking Zombies put him out in 2 hits, one of which is removing plate armor. Can you imagine Chris under those rules? The games would be nigh impossible. He beats up a demon called Satan, but it pretty clearly not the Devil that would belong in any other game. The only special abilities you see from him is extreme strength and the use of magic weapons.

Why do you consider Spencer so powerful? He’s a normal guy with a cyborg arm that happens to have a grappling hook. Yeah he’s super strong, but that’s about it, and its in one arm…

Anyways, thats why they were put in tiers this time. The differences between various game worlds make any kind of ranking, even in fun, just about impossible.


So to try to be specific,

Tier 3:  Firebrand's power varies greatly with the demon crests, the base Red Arramer is pretty weak, if mobile (per G&G).  Joe is tricky because of the Movie world thing.  That being said, his essential power is speeding up and slowing down time.  It's a good strong power, but really nothing compared to what the people the tier above him can do.  I had the impression that Trish was *way* weaker than the Demon brothers, which is why I put here there... don't know DMC well enough to really say, she might be able to do some movement.  Strider is strong for this group, probably, but he's not remotely up to the level of Tier 2.

Tier 4:  I used the term 'enhanced' for a reason, these are basically normal humans with some tech power-ups.  To specifically mention Tron, Gustaff has extremely high strength and a very large variety of special weapons.  Jill I'm not entirely sure of, don't know the nature of this one's powers that well, except she's enhanced and has super-speed.  Spencer is still just a special ops type of guy with a grappling hook arm.

Tier 5:  Haggar is still just a pro wrestler that went into politics.  He shows *no* special powers or abilities at all, except being very strong.  You're right tho' that he would kick the crap out of Phoenix and Frank, I probably should have made a 'totally normal human' tier a level below and dumped them in there.  Arthur I talked some about above, but to be frank he's just about impossible to place well, the rules of his game are just way too different to compare well.  Like I said above, imo the things he's actually able to do aren't that impressive.

PS:  I love this crap so much, heh :p
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You are on the most powerful crack cocaine if you think Akuma can beat the Iron Fist…not gonna even elaborate on that. You have plenty of info in this very thread.

Captain America is old as dirt and has fought and learned fighting skills from everywhere. Not just on Earth, but the entire Universe. His skill level is most likely past that of an Akuma by now, who is definitely a baby compared to him. I’m GODDAMN certain he is smarter than Akuma as well, as he has beaten people who have similar physical attributes as Akuma.

And wouldn’t even call what Akuma does teleporting, dude turns into a human version of a Roadkill Rodney from TMNT. Just silly.

And Comic Vine got infected with the craziest of individuals about the time when all those shitty Activision Marvel action games came out, from what I can remember. I hate going there for ANYTHING now. Have you actually seen their VS threads?! You should be ashamed to even mention them here.

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This is a groundless argument, because if we simply adopt a “beating up demons doesn’t count because they’re not the OTHER GAME’S demons” approach, then we have no basis to compare anything because we can use that argument to dismiss any enemy from any game in any comparison. Arthur beats Lucifer. Period.

Exactly.

That’s what Arthur has that extends beyond all of the other Capcom characters: transcendant combat skill. You’re right, even the weakest of the weak, a pitiful zombie, can kill Arthur in a single hit. Arthur’s durability is on a whole other scale of lowness compared to every other Capcom character. His tools are more limited, and his powers weaker. Yet in spite of all that, he triumphs, again and again. What Arthur is up against is ALWAYS unfair for him, moreso than for anybody else, but he makes it not matter because he’s just that good. Ryu might always be looking for the next challenge, but Arthur’s implicit aim is beyond that: it is utter perfection. Nothing less than utter perfection will be sufficient for Arthur’s victory, because his margin for error just doesn’t exist.

There is no fighter in Capcom’s UMvC3 roster more skilled than Arthur, and Arthur’s combat skill is so vastly in excess of any raw abilities that could be attributed to him that it would be folly to simply rank him as a “strong human”. He puts down kings of Hell OVER AND OVER AGAIN. The man is an unparalleled demon slayer, and not because of some macguffin or plot armor that just makes him win against demons. Aside from Amaterasu and Red Arremer, who could possibly beat Arthur in a fight on Capcom’s side? Nobody.

Arthur is the man. This cannot be denied.

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I gotta admit I do like the ‘he’s strong because he’s weak!’ angle… one might think you weren’t taking this discussion very seriously! :stuck_out_tongue:

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Arthur is like Squirrel Girl if you think about it.

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He’s like the Eye of the fucking Tiger.

SG doesn’t even HAVE to try.

… Have I said yet how sad I am that they didn’t include her? Damn shame.

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Im still trying to figure out what allows squirrel girl to beat EVERYONE. Its awesome, but can somebody explain why/

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It’s just a running gag.

And Game mechanics shouldn’t be considered really. If getting hit killed you in one hit in certain games of course it makes the character look godlike.

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Being physically frail before demons isn’t just a game mechanic; it’s an essential part of his character. Arthur is a human being and he’s stuck in Hell against every which kind of demon. He’s not going to be able to stand and trade with those mofos on their home turf: if he did, he’d get owned instantly, end of story.

And it also doesn’t change the fact that he beats up various lords of Hell regularly.

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It’s a game mechanic.

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Dante and Vergil take hits pretty poorly in actual gameplay, but seem capable of shrugging off mortal wounds with little difficulty - to some extent, at least - if you instead consider what happens during cutscenes (where most of the storytelling is done).

Which might be why everybody keeps forgetting about Arthur - because GnG is obviously pretty bare-bones in the story department, which doesn’t help when you add in that Arthur’s skills are less visually impressive than what Dante/Vergil/Amaterasu/etc do.