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I wonder why he hasn’t…probably because he wouldn’t have anything else left to say other than “You won”. Akuma is all bark and no bite. Prove to me otherwise than “He wasn’t at his full power”. Ken has beaten Ryu, shouldn’t he be beating Akuma too at whatever level he wants to show up at?
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If you read Marvel comics, then you should know that those are pretty basic in the scope of powers in that universe. Akuma= Big fish in small pond syndrome. SF powers are subject to scrutiny because they can’t conjure them on a whim. They are the last line of defense for them and demand taxing situations from the body. Marvel’s characters are either born like that or have their bodies altered to where they stay in a state where they can preform these feats. Simple superiority. It’s not the SF guys fault they aren’t that powerful, they were just made that way.
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If that’s true, then I have proved my point about SF characters being overrated and exaggerated. If Akuma is the biggest threat in your universe, then you may need to wrap it up trying to go up against superheroes/villains.
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Then it’s Capcom’s fault why their guys are subject to this battery of disbelief. They need to better flesh out their characters so that we have more to compare them with and a full scale of their ability.
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You missed the entire point here…
You say you doubt but you don’t bring up examples. Don’t theory fighter in here without some facts to go along with it.
Shishioh, you’re not really making much of an argument. The lack of absolute evidence isn’t any more proof of negative than proof of positive.
you’re kind of reading like a power grid voter… the fan who says Cap’n America is a Super-Genius, can lift over 75 tons, travel the speed of light, is beyond bulletproof (speaking of which… there’s a sniper rifle that would like to talk about that bullet example up above), can project medium range medium damage energy, and is a master of all forms of conventional combat. (example taken from the average of actual fan power grid votes). It’s fan thinking and anti-fan thinking (aka “I don’t like Akuma”), not trying to puzzle things out.
Interestingly, Iron Fist, who is closest in theme and abilities to the SF characters, is considered by Marvel to be better than Cap in every single way.
you didn’t either, don’t bring me down to your level.
Look at Gouki’s feats. Nobody that we know of is even doing that. Mind you that Gouki’s holding back while wrecking that island and all, not Shin Gouki as what we like to term. He’s splitting mountains and sinking islands while holding back his full power. When has Ryu ever done anything remotely close to that? Ever? Zero. Gouki only displays his full potential up against opponents of equal strength. You won’t be seeing him going around rolling over characters like Chunli, Fei Long for kicks. That’s not his philosophy and that’s now how he wants to fight. Get the two together and you’ll see why their is little to almost no fights with Gouki in which he’ll go into Shin mode to try and defeat an opponent.
Street Fighter characters are powerful. It’s not everyday you see a guy getting picked up by a Cyclone thrown across the lands and is somehow alive. They do have super human qualities to them. However again due to being a game, you can’t put frame by frame of their everyday fights like how you can with comic books. Again, your pitting frame-by frame characters doing stuff, getting super detail into what they do, compare to vague endings, beginnings, and storyline written by CJ that has no visual to go along with it.
Gouki isn’t the biggest threat in the SF Universe, this could potentially go to Ingrid whom has can travel through time, even A3 Dictator wouldn’t be able to soul-rip if he tried to harness her power, plus she has telekinetic powers, and her durability is noted to be even surpassed by all other SF characters considering being hit by a SF character is a feeling of being tickled. Their are a few on Gouki’s level, as to who’s the strongest, we simply don’t know. Again, Capcom’s #1 concern is not storyline within a video game, comic books are completely different.
It’s not Capcom’s fault that they don’t give a shit about the storyline. It’s your fault that you’re trying to force and compare the Capcom characters into a context in which comic book characters are viewed. See where your problem lies?
You still haven’t posted to me on who Gouki lost to that was inferior lol, and btw, “had” Ryu gone Satsui-No-Hadou back in Alpha, he would’ve been capable of defeating Gouki at that time-frame, just go back and see how “what-if” storyline back in A3 had Ryu gone down that route, however Ryu is now stronger then his SnH version from Alpha within his most current form.
Again, stop comparing comic book characters to video game characters and expecting a clean visual.
But I haven’t said any of that. Now you’re just reaching. Captain America is a little more than “Peak Human” but not by much. That’s just enough to do the things that he does and fight/defeat the people he does as well.
I’m simply going by what has happened in the SF story…however vague it is. You are the only one here bring up grids. I actually read the damn books.
And Iron Fist has super powers. Sorry to bust your bubble there. That propels him well past Cap already. And he most certainly would bust Akuma’s ass from what I can tell. Let’s not bring him up again. Shit…you wanna talk bad ass hand to hand? Shang Chi was Ryu before Ryu was Ryu.
No dude…Akuma is really, really strong. Not like god tier or anything but most dont give him enough credit.
He can survive and thrive comfortably. at the bottom of the ocean, in a volcano, and in space. Hes destroyed islands, submarines, comets, and killed a couple of SFs greats w/o breaking a sweat. (Dictator, Gouken, Goutetsu, could have killed Gen, etc.) Besides that hes got the most powerful techniques…the most potent being the Shun Goku Satsu.
Shun Goku Satsu can kill opponents much stronger than Akuma because of its ability to dwell on and amplify the target’s negative emotions (no matter how deeply hidden they may be) their guilt, insecurities, etc. and make it destroy them. And the move’s unavoidable, and doesnt really cause anything negative to akuma (talking about Shin Akuma here btw) Like Dante, for example, would be a prime target. Hes way stronger than Akuma, but Akuma would beat him with ease because one SGS and bam, all of the crap Dante’s been through and thats affected him would effectivly kill himself.
Its not like this is uncounterable, tho. It just takes great mental resolve (the likes that not many have, and Gouken and Gen survived the old, much weaker Shun Goku Satsu) or just straight lack of human emotion and feeling. Which Akuma has done, transcended his humanity.
I know this is a SF site and all but…you have to be kidding about defending Akuma to this extent…
You say people don’t give him enough credit when I see the exact opposite on this site everyday.
I don’t remember anything about Akuma breaking comets. He didn’t kill Gouken. Gen was fighting him with a sickness and he still stopped the SGS. Also lol @ SGS being unavoidable. It doesn’t matter if he tries to SGS Dormammu if he blows him to pieces before he can even glide his way to him.
Gen stopped the SGS is because Gen emptied his mind, body and soul becoming nothing. This allowed SGS to not kill him. Get that right next time please. Gouken survived only by doing something similar as well. Gill only survived is because he can Auto-Revive, otherwise he was killed by it. Dictator has the ability to soul-rip, otherwise his body was completely destroyed.
Comparing Gouki to Dorm is unintelligent, you should know better then that.
The killing Bison part (the original ssf2t outcome) is retconned when sf4 came out, whether or not Bison is killed by Gouki this time in sf4 is not yet known.
There’s this anime intro of sf4 that shows Bison more or less blew himself up fighting Ryu, Ken, Chun and Guile.
Not like he’d die now, since he has these Seth clones to swap body into.
PAX BISONICA
When did I say that’s not how he stopped it? lol. I already know he emptied himself to stop that, I just said he was sick and still managed to do it.
How is that unintelligent when that’s the entire point of this thread?
Nobody is comparing Akuma to dormammu.
and please no ‘if he hit x character with y attack he’d die in one shot’ yeah most character would die from one bullet/one sword swipe but most also have a way of dealing with it.
well nobody’s saying Akuma could do much to Dormammu, he’s on an entirely different level.
Shish, my point was to take a real example of how fan thinking works. It feels like its important to people that even the street level Marvel characters are more powerful than the Capcom ones for brand loyalty reasons.
If all else fails we can fall back on the power rankings. Even if you cut a point off of every rating for Ryu and Akuma for bizarre inflation, they’re still Iron Fist/Spiderman power levels.
Well I suppose it is kinda silly to compare comic books chars to video game chars.
I will say that the Udon comic book Ryu/Akuma has never displayed anything remotely close to Iron Fist/Spider-man power levels.
There is one thing I don’t understand. People say that both Shuma and Dormmamu are two of the strongest being in this game (along with Phoenix and Galactus of course). Yet I’ve heard that they are mainly powerful in their own realm or dimension. Does this mean they are not as strong on Earth or something?
From what I read, SGS is unavoidable. It’s not like Penance Stare where you need to look into Ghost’s eyes to get punished. If Akuma activates SGS and you don’t know how to deal with it, you’re fucked unless you’re Jesus or something.
Not trying to argue Dorm vs Akuma btw, before some fool tries to get fresh.
Where are ya’ll gettin this akuma vs all these other charecters ish from, please link me im not well versed on this matter at all
For what it’s worth, I would put Akuma at about the same level as Wesker, Spider-Man, Cap, etc. In almost all of SF, he is sand-bagging until he finds someone who can put up a real fight, and THEN he goes full out and kills them.
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Yes.
In their own dimensions, they are omnipotent (or close enough). When they come to Earth, they’re still strong enough to send everybody running for some way to kick them the fuck out - I don’t know my comic lore, but I would surmise that all of Dorm and Shuma’s defeats come from getting booted back to their own dimension.
Akuma saves the world from a meteorite
Spoiler
http://media.comicvine.com/uploads/6/65639/1215330-159327_506297_shinakuma_end_super_super_super.jpg
Thats where Shin Akuma stops the comet and shows he can survive space as well.
And yeah, Gen survived a weak version of the move, against Normal Akuma (not Shin) and Gen is at a high level of mental oneness. (Like Gouken, and what Ryu is attempting to accomplish too) However now, where Akuma is 100x stronger than Alpha (hell, not even Shin Akuma in that regards) the move is virtually unavoidable. Resisting it is different.
Well, Dorm would get hit by the SGS, but he wouldnt be affected by the SGS in anyway.
Where did you get this info?
Bison still died and was ressurected in a new body in SFIV.
Wheres this anime intro at as well? All anime comics etc. isnt canon anyway.
I dont. I see people putting Akuma way below ehere he belongs on canon tiers. Shin Akuma Ingrid and perhaps Gill are the strongest characters SF has to offer. These fighters can hold their own against tons of Capcom’s best and a ton of Marvel’s heros/villains as well.
They’re not godlike on the realms of Shuma or Dormmamu or anything (not even close), but they’re for sure super human. Id put them above the likes of Spider Man, Captain America, Wolverine, Iron Man, etc.