just don’t buy that, the implication is that all you need to power up is to stop by the local sporting goods store. Hawkeye’s ‘power’ isn’t that he has a bow, its that he’s exceptionally skilled with it and has 1385 different kinds of arrows for it. He’s a skilled martial artist/acrobat/weapon user, but he’s hardly transcended normal limits, which all the SF characters (or all the ones in Marvel) pretty clearly have. I’m not saying Akuma or Chun are as powerful as say Storm or Magneto, or even that they’re close. Stlil they can spin around so fast it gives them limited flight (SBK, up-kicks, tatsu) and shoot energy with the power of their Souls. They’d be closely analogous to Iron fist, and he got the majority of his powers by ripping the molten heart out of a dragon. That’s a lot more than ‘I learned how to shoot a bow really well’, or ‘I have a bunch of guns’ or even ‘I have a bunch of laser guns!’
Its surprising the amount of disdain people have for Chun Li… you learn something about folks every day!
Son, Captain America presses 1200 pounds. He’s a bit more than peak human. And he would fuck most of the SF cast up without blinking. He fought an entire room full of supervillains who surrounded him and couldn’t lay a fucking hand on him. He survived being frozen in the Atlantic multiple times.
Well according to the power grid, his abilities are all ‘peak human’
I tried to quote wiki but unfortunately it puts it in an ‘on black’ background, so its kind of hard to read.
Trying anyways:
The whole point of his story is that he’s ‘peak human’, and as it says in the article, he’s consistently below ‘superhuman’.
edit: as it turns out, it posts just fine, heh. Also, it kind of contradicts itself, dunnit?
Also also, I’m still of the opinion that the grids are more useful for silliness than anything else, but his official strength level per the grid is ‘Peak human: able to lift over twice own body weight, up to 800 lbs.’.
Well I guess that means you’re saying Dan is on the same tier as he has limited flight with his dankukyaku, and can shoot energy with his gadoken. Dan = Iron Fist.
Chun Li, as skilled as she is, can’t dodge bullets or arrows nor does she have the durability to take one to the heart. There’s a reason why guns aren’t allowed in Street Fighter tournaments.
I was thinking about that actually, are there any characters that shoot bullets in non-crossover SF games? Can’t think of any to use for comparison
Whether the SF folks could deflect/catch arrows or dodge bullets is really unknown, but its certainly well within the Wuxia/Chambara tradition that inspires the games. Especially arrows, the open-handed sword catch and arrow catch are cliches of the genre.
About dan, you’d be right, but… he’s an in-joke on the nature of the genre so its kind of hard to really rate him as anything but a joke
Edit: Looking at the power grids, I think they’re supposed to be logarithmic scale, making the totals we were posting earlier kind of useless. Like Str 3 is up to 800 lbs, but str 4 is up to 25 tons.
Once again, how do you explain his constant feats of standard “superness”? You can try to downplay the Marvel characters all you like but you at least get to see them in matchups against other beings such as themselves with a story behind it that tells you WHY they fought and WHY that person won.
SF is so theory bullshit that power levels and actual fighting get drowned in urban legends. Akuma is still largely unproven as a fighter. In canon, who has Chun Li beaten? Ryu and Ken seem like the only people who win anything in that continuity.
Akuma would get bodied by a large majority of Capcom characters outside of his own series. He strikes me as the kind of character that thinks he’s really strong, but he’s really just decent in a world of normal humans. LOL @ thinking Akuma is anywhere near as strong as Spiderman, Wolverine, etc. Not even close.
I think I’m treating the SF characters postiive kind of in response to all the hate they’re getting. Especially poor Akuma. What’d that dude do to get shit all over like that?
My main argument is that they’re within the range of discussion, and stronger than normals.
Shishioh: Because power levels vary based on the writer, it even says in the (official) quote above, he’s occasionally been stronger or treated as stronger in various situations, but his ‘official’ power level is ‘peak normal human condition but not actually superhuman’. As a comic book character that limitation makes him more interesting, but its still a limitation.
Shanghai: As you might expect, I reject that out of hand (and am in fact proud I didn’t know that), whether its right of me to do so or not
Then how can you justify saying Akuma being able to defeat a Cap or Chun beating Hawkeye? They are unproven as serious fighters and frequently lose to those who people consider to be beneath them.
I’m only going by what I have seen out of these characters. Haven’t seen much but random destruction of inanimate objects from Akuma and a lot of spinning and kicking from Chun Li.
The whole point of Captain America’s character is that he represents what a regular human can achieve with dedication and determination, even though the definition of regular may vary.
Why he can achieve certain levels of ‘superness’ is due to plot armor (meaning these writers completely miss the point of what the character stands for)
Shish, you’re talking about the difference of Genres there. Just like how comics heros constantly beat people stronger than them, FG characters easily lose to characters weaker than them just by the nature of the games… player skill doesn’t apply to comics, and games have to play in a reasonably balanced way without regard to canon.
para 2 is bogus though, “All we see is a bit of arrow shooting from hawkeye and a bunch of shield throwing and punching from cap”.
The criteria I’m trying to use here is ‘superhuman’… the SF characters do things clearly beyond human abilities, the street level characters (barring writing snafus or plot devices) don’t. Of course, everyone we’re talking about here are huge pussies compared to the actually strong characters
Edit: And Scirocco is right on. What makes Hawkeye and Cap cool is that they can beat people stronger than them by any measure through resourcefulness and will.
So…when he was dipped into the Atlantic that first time, a normal human can achieve that level of durability, resistance to cold temperatures and sever pressure of being so deep?
:wtf:
Edit of justice: I’m going by canon here…what little of it that SF has. Read your stories, brother. Akuma has LOST like nobody’s business and seems like he hiding the fact that he has no experience in actual fighting behind “I was just testing you”.
Chun has her ass beaten by Bison so fast that she only caught a glimpse of him leaving. So in canon, she has beaten nobody.
When has Gouki lost to someone inferior then himself? I would like to know your explanation to this? Please list the sources. If you claim “Ryu” then you’re out of your mind because Gouki has not once fought Ryu with his full capabilities within the canonical storyline of SF. The fact that you claim Gouki just simply destroys inanimate objects at random isn’t enough to convey his strength.
So sinking islands, training in ocean trenches, standing on top of lava, sending energy waves into the stratosphere, splitting a ship into pieces, splitting a mountain into five separate pieces are simply not enough for you? The elites within the SF world also move at very fast speeds. Ryu whom is inferior to Gouki can already dodge bullets with ease, and this makes sense, since projectiles in the Street Fighter world were noted to be moving at bullet speeds. Guile’s regular Sonic Boom for example from the official AAC and AASF that was translated years ago noted that it traveled at Mach 2 speed.
With the case of Gouki you don’t need to gauge him to fight against the SF cast because 99% of them wouldn’t even be able to breath on Gouki without getting utterly destroyed.
I can agree that gauging Chunli would be very difficult due to the difficulties of her lack of fights. However lets put something here that you simply fly over. Marvel characters are Storyline Driven, with over 50+ years of to back them up with 203482309482 resources to go to. While Street Fighter characters and many Capcom characters in general are game driven and not storyline. Meaning that Capcom could give a two cents about storyline and would rather focus more upon how the character is incorporated and played into a game.
Once you grasp that situation you’ll be able to understand why it’s not easy to compare a comic book character to a video game character, and worst yet to auto-assume that due to lack of “feats” “insert character” >>>> “insert character”. So I’m guessing you also don’t know that Eastern Philosophy of Superheroes are viewed and written much differently then how we do it with our Western Philosophy Superheroes.
Akuma jobs a lot, but if anyone were to ask Capcom themselves who is the most powerful Street Fighter in MVC3, it would be Akuma. Still I don’t think he’s seeing anyone in the Marvel universe
