I won’t tell you not to FA gief. I do it and honestly i have been more rewarded than punished hard for it to make me not use it, I will leave that choice up to you. In terms of jumping, Jumping Fierce is your best bet. you want to put yourself in range to punch or kick him in his head when he lariats. jumping fierce has the best angle from my experience. Although jumping HK from a different angle or a differently timed lariat will connect, I will say jumping fierce is the most reliable if your properly spaced. From a harder angle jumping lp is ok for stuffin it, but if he has quick reactions thats a SPD when u land everytime. I would suggest you go into practice mode and see how they all work against lariat.
Your trump is ex cannon strike. It will go through lariat as long as he doesnt do it right as your feet are landing on him. Up close neutral jumping into it will catch them off guard. Jumping away as he wakes up and coming back into him with ex cannon strike is probably a bit of a better option than neutral, but I use both.
Understand that if you use any offensive actions your shit needs to be tight, regardless of blocked or not, you can bet money he’s mashing SPD so make sure you game is tight.
Jchensor or however you spell his name has a good tactic that i would consider in terms of FA’ing. If you keep showing the FA and dashing out, unless gief has a bar you will threaten him because he knows FA will beat his backhand. He then will probably resort to jumpin first, in which you gotta be tight with your C spike, and your normals.
Last way they try to gain ground is through normals. Sadly enough the only way i have found that cammy counters his pokes is hittin him with one of yours as soon as his own poke misses. As we all know tryin to time this is an up hill battle but you can try to hold your ground awhile whiffing with your pokes and maybe gettin lucky sometimes. Do watch for surprise backhands while playin footies. Especially ex ones.
Understand that whiffed crouching HK or Standing HK from gief give him increased range on SPD. From my experience c.HK isnt as bad to deal with, But they throw that s.HK out alot to make it whiff and immediately SPD. IDK why this work for them but it does. So best bet is to try to block it, dash back or neutral jump, in case he tried to go for the SPD you can come right down with a ex c strike combo usually.
In terms of his crossup lk knee press, I have tried every special move to try and counter the SPD that comes after this regardless if i got hit with the crossup knee or not, and Nothin will beat it. BEST BET is to learn how to focus it and dash away. That is the only answer. And I can say that if indeed they did knee press most of the time i get away w/o taking any dmg. I do believe sometimes i may have gotten like c.jab’d or c.lk’d as i dash but meh who cares about that lol.
I will say that if he uses a different cross up like body splash and you focus and try to dash away he can hit you with a jab to make you take the cross up dmg too. But you do flip out with what i will go out on a limb and say “minimal dmg” lol.
Dont be afraid to throw a random hooligan every now n then as unless he crouches and times his lariat right, most of the time you’ll grab his ass. (I did say MOST of the time).
If you do get a knockdown, and your feelin risky dash up and grab is cute. I use it, sometimes i pay, but not enough to make me not use it anymore.
Spacing your spiral arrows can work, but the risk is of course higher vs gief.
C. striking into an offense CAN work, usually though if i do this i just c. strike into c.spike.
Alot of things CAN work but, its just making sure its tight so he can slip that SPD in there. I know im no where near being the best but my advice is to learn some sort of offense, trying to run the whole match to me isnt gonna work. But thats just my 2 cents on gief.
ON HONDA.
Learn how to cross him up. J.LK work well on him. after Bnb combo dont move. If he quick hops up, he’s set right in your crossup range. If he tries to headbutt out, your j.lk actually knocks him out of his headbutts, even ex’s if the timing turns out in your favor. Learn how many jabs or shorts it takes to put him in your crossup range. After c. striking from ___ angle, how many hits of my blockstring will it take to push him back far enough so when i jump he’s set for the cross up.
I dont feel like retyping on honda, even though i just did for gief, but the other thing i will notice from the vid on honda is, when you met him in the air and made him flip out, you need to be landing and dashing under him to mix up his block. its a good trick, not just for honda but any player. What you do after you dash under him is up to you.
Hope this stuff helps.
meaty hooligans and mid-range/short-range throw people off big time. but its very easy to counter. id say about 5-10% of your game should be hooligans.
