C.Viper Combos and Glitches

InfernoOmni · April 11, 2009, 9:46am

DevilJin_01:

[LEFT][/LEFT]Alright so I’ve always thought that the number 1 aspect to performing fierce feint fierce correctly is timing. With that I always wished the game had a FRC or timing bar that showed you the exact timing you need to press the 2 punch buttons to feint after the c.HP or close s.HP. Someone brought up something about the lifebars and how they flash an indicator across the bar whenever you hit someone. Well using that I’ve come up with a way to ensure you’re timing the HP feint correctly. Once you get this down all you need to do then is hit c.HP directly after the cancel and you’ve got fierce feint fierce.

I wish I was better at doing text diagrams or whatever but here’s a really sloppy graphic of the health bar with equal signs and the word here showing the indicator bars need to be located when you hit 2 punches to cancel/feint after the HP Knuckle.
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It’s insanely sloppy but it’ll make sense when you go in training mode and see what your health bar looks like when you hit someone with the first fierece. When you hit the opponent you’ll see 2 small bright orangish beams. Parallel to each other with one above the health bar and one below which outline the health bar as they move across. It flashes pretty quickly but it’s definitely visible enough to see what’s going on.

**The main idea is after you hit the person with the first HP you want to do the HP Knuckle (qcb+HP) immediately after and just as you see the indicator bars place themselves in the area of the health bar just after half health where it dips down into a second section…THAT’s when you need to cancel. You need to cancel just at the start of the second half of the health bar that begins the lower section. **

As long as you time the cancel/feint nearly pin point in that area I guarantee you will get the cancel off everytime. I even tested it myself I tried doing the cancel simply by looking at the health bar ONLY (not either of the characters) and that shit was executing for me 100 percent in training mode.

Considering you have an widescreen computer monitor my sloppy diagram should come out correctly but if you don’t just read the bolded descriptions and that should generally explain it. Just look at a screen shot or look at the health bar in the training mode and look just past half health where the bar dips down into a second section. It’s that small little section right after halfway in the bar dip that you need to cancel.

At first, I was like, “WTF, this guy is making this so complicated.”

Then I went into training mode and tried it and… somehow it works.
When I just stare at the Health Bar, I can do double c.FP WAY more consistently.

subzero44 · April 11, 2009, 10:51am

i was just trying to learn it by negative edge, is that harder?
I mean i can do it 50/50

edit: went and actually tried it, great post there deviljin!!! I had no idea the timing was that lenient off of the combo.

System_1 · April 12, 2009, 7:10am

level 2 fa + hard trial 5 combo = about 568 damage and 610 stun :o

True_Tech · April 12, 2009, 10:05am

http://forums.shoryuken.com/showpost.php?p=6333044&postcount=217

read that

Wonderswan · April 12, 2009, 2:09pm

lol, nice job coming up with a visual aid for the feint combo Jin. =D
Do you think different types of screens would have a affect on this method? It would suck to go to your first tourney and play on a really big plasma or a really small CRT and be down to 10% success rate with it, lol.

For online play Showgun has the right idea. Almost all of my fights are on 3 bars so I just give FP a quick double tap when I roll my finger back into the TK. I’ve had good success with it this way but I don’t think anyone will ever be 100% with this combo in an online match, just too many variables.

DevilJin_01 · April 12, 2009, 8:40pm

The idea isn’t necessarily to use that method in an actual fight. That’s unnecessarily difficult unless you have the opponent stunned. The idea of the method is to get the timing put in muscle memory for you like the FRC bar did in Guilty Gear. It shows you the exact point in time where you can cancel (which is actually a few frames longer than most GG FRC’s) and that way when you go to battle you can see the health bar timing in your head and cancel consistently.

It’s basically just to get a visual representation of when you need to hit the buttons. Which I believe is the number 1 key to getting it consistently. If you know the exact set of frames where you need to cancel…the game will never mess the cancel up for you. All the game is looking for is timing when it all comes down to it.

DrumsAreNeat · April 13, 2009, 6:45pm

The weekend is too short. On a lighter note - seismo sjc burning kick from almost any location is near 100%.

Shodokan123 · April 13, 2009, 7:03pm

DJ… what was with the long winded explination of her basic feint combo? you have to be fucking retarded not to be able to do it if you have any execution skills whatsoever

c.hp > hp knuckle, lp+mp/3p x 2, c.hp > w/e u want.

if you are getting EX punch then you just need to slow down your input for knuckle…whats so hard about that? i understand some people need visual ques… but if you go to looking @ the lifebar like you are hit confirming chun’s c.mk in 3s then you could potentially miss mixup oppertunities especially if it doesn’t hit.

if you can’t do basic things like feint cancels with your eyes closed in your sleep… lol

360ing it is a good thing to do if you want to go forward… but if you want to go backward or w/e it’s slightly harder. I just do a slow double tap when i get to ub/u/uf depending on what direction i wish to go in.

Keizion · April 13, 2009, 7:13pm

i feel your pain man i was practicin this a good part of my weekend, bad execution skill is really messed up when you love fighting games, i’m getting better at it though now that i have a method that i feel makes sense to me. they still wont let me play at work though, bastards, so i guess i’m waiting until 7 to get more practice in…

DrumsAreNeat · April 13, 2009, 7:35pm

Yeah I still have no way to play at work. It would be sick to play even on my lunch break.

I’m getting better with the fierce feint fierce, it just doesn’t seem like something i’ll be using in battle just yet. seismo xx sjc BK is more important to me right now.

DevilJin_01 · April 13, 2009, 7:40pm

@ Shodokan. It’s only a visual cue to use in training mode. Using it in an actual fight is useless. It should be in muscle memory by that point. For people that play Guilty Gear it would make a lot more sense but yeah. It allows the game to pretty much tell you where to cancel in training mode which I think is a big help for the newer Viper players that haven’t been playing fighting games competitively for years. You’re a computer nerd execution wise compared to them. :lol:

CoosCoos · April 13, 2009, 10:49pm

I have a question, does it really matter which TK you feint?

I usually use mp knuckle to feint, but if there is a reason to use fp knuckle to feint the I’ll start using it.

DrumsAreNeat · April 13, 2009, 10:55pm

I’m pretty sure you can’t fierce feint fierce unless you use HP TK, as the other TK’s feint recovery isn’t fast enough.

CoosCoos · April 13, 2009, 11:00pm

I’ve done it with all three actually. Minus the EX, but they were all for st. fierce feint cr. fierce.

The only one I use the fierce TK for is if I ever do cr. fierce feint cr. fierce really.

DrumsAreNeat · April 14, 2009, 12:54am

thats damn good to know!

System_1 · April 14, 2009, 1:20am

everyone knows you can seismo to hj burning kick to ultra right dont know if this was already stated but i ex seismo to hj.jumping.fk(the knee) as my opponent landed i did ultra. I also ex seismo to hj jumping.fk then as he landed seismo to hj burning kick to ultra.

showgun · April 14, 2009, 2:04am

This doesn’t work.

DevilJin_01 · April 14, 2009, 2:16am

I didn’t even know what he was talking about.

System_1 · April 14, 2009, 2:49am

ex seismo to super jump in the air do fierce kick(the knee not the jump kick) then catch them in the ultra as they land from the knee it does work I also did ex seismo to super jump jumping fierce kick(the knee) as dude landed ex seismo to super jump burning kick to ultra afterwards i went to training a did it more times Try it.

showgun · April 14, 2009, 3:03am

It won’t work off an air reset. You must not have it set to Auto Block. Change it to Auto Block and you’ll see it doesn’t work.