well sorry, i meant, juri…it sohuld be juri that is teh replacement for viper
and ibuki, has super jump which allows viper players to have an easier time adjusting (according to the devs)
Thats a really good point. Maybe it wasn’t overpowered with the resent engine, but with the game being sped up it was abit too much
After seeing the Ibuki demo Capcom really needs to help Viper out with faster normals because I’m having a hard time thinking of why anyone would pick Viper over her. Although I still love all cancels that Viper can can do and the fact she plays differently from everyone else.
lol at least Viper has alot of options unlike Rose and Fei.
Ibuki = Ryu
Viper = Ken
I feel so bad for Fei but at least Rose might just have a Fadc’able ultra 
- even though it looks terrible I really hope it works
Lol replacement…so dumb. If that were the devs intent, why not just remove the character altogether rather than just make her suck to the point that everyone is forced to switch so you just have this pathetic, vestigial roster spot in the game that no one uses anymore?
Chun Li says hi. Gief says HOLLA
Chun and Gief have DP FADC Ultra in SSFIV? Dude, that’s awesome!!!
Gief having dp fadc ultra is my worst nightmare. Well until I switch to sagat. :lol:
Lol, don’t even joke about shit like that, that’d be the death for Viper right there.
Its already confirmed that gief can do lariat fadc into ultra 2.
Worse than that, he’s got trade lariat into Ultra 2. :lol:
:shake:
Not looking forward to that match-up.
So looks like I’ll still be cussing when someone counterpicks me when they see my Viper title.
did you guys see the updated c.viper info?
There are no nerfs on viper…but maybe mp tk is slower by 1 or 2 frames
lol, we were all saying that WAS the nerf we didn’t want
There’s other in the Viper forums, but if you haven’t read it, don’t read it, it’ll only depress you further, lol. Still holding out until the game arrives, then we’ll see. Otherwise, it seems quite a few people will be skipping her in favour of Ibuki.
BTW, Trade Lariat into Ultra 2 has been removed so no fear of getting BS against Gief in that regards.
No real good Viper players have gotten their hands on the final build yet so all of the information so far is not reliable at the moment. That frame info on MP TK doesn’t state whether’s that on block/hit or both. Too much info missing in regards to that and it’s still unconfirmed. I still want to know if the hit boxes on c.mk has been fixed. On the plus side Ryu’s DP seems less effective overall so less BS come backs due to DP, FADC, Ultra.
Yeah, a lot of info when it comes to Viper in SSF4 doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. I’ll keep praying, haha.
And phew, no Lariat Ultra 2 trade! Hope he can’t FADC into it either, haha, but I think that’s probably been removed. DPs being less effective is good news for Viper. But since they’re removing trade Ultras from chars like Ryu, would they remove trade Ultra for Viper too?
With the nerfs that Sagat took, I wonder if the match up is now 6-4 in Viper’s favour.
:woot:
Wouldn’t surprise me if Viper’s trade Ultra is gone. I think the juggle properties after a trade may have been removed altogether so we may or may not lose the FTK trade dash in FTK.
In both cases it’s not a huge blow to Viper and I think it’s much better that the rest of the cast lose their Trade Ultras even if it means losing ours. Viper still has a ton of other ways to land Burst Time and we still have FTK FADC Ultra.