Please don’t break Viper, Capcom.
Nothing worse than having to feel guilty when using your favorite character.
They probably made her execution a bit easier. Like letting her combo into her bk from a fk, after an ex.seismo sjc combo.
i think that was originally intended by capcom but they scrapped it at some point
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Capcom I feel will work to do the right thing with her. Right now she’s too high maintenance and has to work overly hard to do shit the top tiers can do way more efficiently. Her strings are pretty much all reversable as well which doesn’t help. There’s always going to be a character at the top for every sf game. If u don’t want to feel guilty I would recommend playing chess. Fighting games are different. Every character on the screen is a chess piece for u to use so u just have to learn to accept it. People will make u feel guilty whether she is broken or just really good.
White has the advantage. White it top tier.
However slight, its there.
White has always had the advantage in everything. :lol:
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Lol Deviljin.
But good that they’re improving Viper. And she turns out to be top tier/broken, that’s good too. 
I won’t feel guilty in the slightest using her. I don’t bitch about people using Sagat and co. so they shouldn’t bitch about me using Viper if she turns out to be top.
I hope shes top, but is even MORE difficult to use. Gotta earn dat shit.
viper is a hard character its good shes geting buffed although i dont main her.
I would be much happier with an extremely complex/hard to master character being top-tier rather than a scrubtastic cheaptastic character like Fagat.
I kinda hope she is a little easier to use, but not much.
Ryu and Ken: So easy to use I see countless armies of them online. I get bored of the match-up.
Viper: So hard to use I’ve seen like three online, but always such a fun and exciting match-up.
Maybe if she was slightly easier to use I would get to play against her more. But not much easier, I don’t want her to become the next Ken.
Out of the three vipers I’ve seen online, only one was a good Viper. She dominated me, I’m not gonna lie…
I think her PS3 tag was Raven1??? something or another. She said she only mained females. Props to her, it was a treat to play her.
I can’t take any interview with Killian about character strength seriously before the game actually gets released.
“Fei can combo into ultra from his command grab.” keeps playing itself over and over in my head.
If you notice…most of the people that main Viper in the US are veteran fighting game players. Specifically those who played games like Guilty Gear, Marvel or other high execution games. Every character was C.Viper in Guilty Gear so playing that at least in training mode for a while helped me with Viper’s execution specifically. She requires a lot of technicality that is hard to pull consistently on a controller and that’s what a lot of newer players to competitive SF pretty much use. Even if people were to use her online…you can’t use her 100 percent online due to how frame specific everything she has is. Even like basic BnB combos for her require strict timing that if messed up can be easily dragon punched by masherscrub2342.
I wanna laugh at this but my mains in sf4 are all female.
But at least I’m not like "I’m only gonna main girls!’ consciously
Ultra recovery is ridiculous especially considering how tight of a window you have to land it off some of her combos.
EX TK is a joke… its basically a hail mary pass hoping for that crumple into ultra. That is the only way you would even spend a bar on that garbage.
Sweep is abyssmal
HP TK needs throw invincibility and better priority. It only does 70 dmg!
I agree with the recovery of EX BK as well that is silly.
A useful focus attack would be nice but I can live without it.
Other than that just the visual changes everyone else mentioned and take away her deafening shriek when she loses plz.
And that pelvis!!! If they can make Cammy’s backside look attractive then they can make Viper have a decent pelvis.
DevilJin,
That was my point… her timing is so tight she’s not online friendly. With a easing of use we’d see more of her, which I would like. But I understand if the Viper mains want to keep her a character only for the elite. She’s not for me, that’s for sure, I’ve got enough on my hands trying to level up my claw.
Yeah i liked viper cuz she is obviously a character designed for people who have seen things in competitive fighting gaming before. Don’t need any more characters as easy mode as rufuss. He’s basically viper for people who find her unfathomable. You reap the rewards somewhat in a character with high damage that can control the entire screen space but are hindered by assey block strings, normals with random hit boxes and slow frames, an ultra with the most random hitbox in the history of fighting games and more that I could list but won’t.
I don’t believe viper is a character that needs easy mode shit that everyone has access to. There should at least be a few characters in sf4 for those that really want to take their execution and reactions to the next level. Even then…if all they did was fix block stun then at least scrubs would be able to have one or 2 combos they could run safely on block with her. Outside of viper there’s no other character so far that moveset, strategically or execution wise interests me and its bad enuff that the gameplay as a whole has a hard time interesting me.
For those that want viper to be easier to play…I think viper would lose that draw for me if Bill and Ted could do the same things I practiced for months to get her to do. I’m not even talking about the execution. That’s the easy part. First thing u should always b working on with any character is execution. I’m talking about how long it takes to memorize all of her strategies and mix ups for every matchup unlike rufus or rog who basically have 2 or 3 go to things for every match.
I gotta say i agree 100% with deviljin(seems i do that alot actually and nice Bill and Ted refrence btw)
but the way the scope is looking i can add Guy to that equation.
I have made my complaints know all over this thread and see no need to repost them.
I am of the mindset that if i fuck up i want it to hurt so i learn to not fuck up in the future,and Viper is great at hurting you for mistakes,hell just try and get a few standing F.TK cancels and see what happens if you miss one mid match.
My issue is not the call for easier execution,but far more along the lines of wanting greater rewards for gaining said execution mastery,it took time to reliably d.FP~F.tk cancel~d.FP~m.tk as a simple offensive tool on command,so getting “Outplayed” by the Roy Nelson Ex Messiah Kick~FADC~Ultra thats mashed out during a laggy moment while i try for a block string that “Should” be safe makes me more then a tad salty.
I enjoy the learning the in’s and out’s of the pack 5 matchup’s and i have not lost to a ryu in weeks due to the never ending supply paraded out before me online(on a side note if any boxer wants up’s on their viper game send me a message as i am sorely lacking here)
I am not one calling for blood in “Balance” terms,i was a long time Mahvel player and i loved the fuck outta that imbalance,but Viper feels like a great idea that now needs to be fleshed out a little more,sand and edge here,and add some paint here,give this bitch the brazillian wax she deserves and march on to dominance like the American char we need and have not had since CE Guile.
Eh…making fp.TK 3 frames would also make the timing on her cr.fp to cr.fp bnb a lot stricter. A bad trade-off IMO.
I was excited to hear Killian mention Viper (first!) as a character that’s definitely improved in Super. I also think what he said about chars shooting from worst to first also applies to Viper. Not that she’s close to worst, but she’s definitely a character that can easily go from balanced to broken with just a couple changes, just because of how unique she is, so I’m interested to see what changes they’ve implemented. A single change as simple as speeding up her normals or giving her a good focus attack would make her shoot up considerably.
Viper newb
IMO she’s one of the better designed characters. There is very little to nothing that should be changed for CV IMO.
I’d leave the health alone. She is IMO the SF4 ‘pixie’, and they always have subpar health…and for a good reason. If they upped her health, they’d have to inversely nerf her damage oppurtuntites.
Her normals suck, and as someone who storyline wise isn’t really a fighter anyway, it makes sense. I hate the jab spam of SF4 and like that she’s not another Li/Rog/Ryu. However, I’d like if they gave her at least one more decent normal, something like giving her s.roundhouse similar properties to Akuma’s…allowing her to add to her pressure game without crossing into the ridiculous threshold.
The only other two changes would be, her Super should do MASSIVE damge. Why? Because she burns thru and consumes so much meter, their should be an actual reward for storing up a full super meter with her. Her current super is nothing more than a taunt with damage. Make it actually ‘worth’ using. Conversely, I’m in agreement that her Ultra could take some pixel nudging to help “complete” more frequently…it doesn’t need the Rufus - ridiculous vacuum property, but it should be a little more reliable. As well the ultra should IMO, do a beter job as AA, and if reports of Rufus being able to EX out of his ultra is true, CV should be able to as well, so if the ultra is blocked - fadc back…a fair exchange for your safety.
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agreed