Yeah I haven’t really seen much from Skrull for a while other than random special moves but DjHuoshen has showed that you can play him in a more solid poke and approach kinda style. His d+H air dive is a real strong tool for applying pressure and can cross up also. He has a ton of command normals that should probably be used more often than people know. Especially the air charge one that can cross up. Shit is ridiculous. He still has to be careful with his specials but with good placement of them and the air XF he should be a real threat now.
Like I did with Chun Li I would have just moved on to someone else rather than dealing with trying to push a character that’s not that great and people don’t know a ton about any way. Chun Li has that big issue of just having a balls hard time getting in no matter what people will end up finding about her.
(I just realized that this is essentially a tier thread…even though I hate tier discussions for the most part.)
Lol, Hsien-ko. I find it funny that so many people focus on how bad she is when, even in vanilla, she’s probably not even the worst character in the game given that both Chun-li and Shuma-Gorath (who you have to pay extra for) exist. It’s extra funny because she got more buffs than either of those characters…and she’ll likely still be horrible. Not dead last, but still “wasted potential” tier.
Oh, it’s not even his zoning that I think is going to push him over the top, though I like in that it’s like the opposite of Chris’s in that he can control the air, but generally only while in the air, which means he can’t control the ground while in the air.[/ill-constructed sentence]
It’s more Gimlet being AHVB-lite and his Poison arrow OTG. He’d be 100% broken if that thing still poisoned you while you were switched out of the field like I think it initially did (for whatever reason I can’t fathom), but even knowing that you’re basically poisoned until you either hit him, tag out (allowing him to freely combo that character if you didn’t waste 2 bars since tag-ins don’t hit overhead anymore) or lose a super’s worth of damage (on top of likely combo damage) seems pretty damn buff. That he can play keep away pretty damn competently against anyone who doesn’t have a teleport or outright projectile invincibility pretty easily only makes the trying to rush him down to kill him (and get rid of it) all the more obnoxious. If it can outright kill people on top of all this, then…dear Vishnu; even if it can’t, Gimlet basically ensures he can kill anyone drained to 1 HP anywhere on screen as long as they don’t have X-Factor or can’t expertly time something invincible to it.
I might be over-hyping him like how Phoenix Wright likely is getting a bit overhyped right now, but it just seems like it’s going to be a huge problem… (Which makes it even funnier that it’s an assist.)
If what crimsonspider posted is true, then holy shit.
I’m going to have to actually look into him a lot sooner than I thought even though I still have absolutely no interest in playing the character.
I see. I can agree with that. I still can’t agree that Strange fits under it if we’re talking about “pros”, though, since as soon as he debuted (officially) a lot of those people were talking about replacing Phoenix with him so…yeah.
Nah, not really. While I don’t believe Nemesis will be nearly as bad as some people think he is, I have to point out this assist “only” has 1 hit of super armor, so he can be knocked out of it. He’s not Golden Armor Hsien-ko or anything. This compared to Haggar who has reduced invincibility and knockdown, yes, but after like 2 frames of being out is still largely outright invulnerable. That alone means that he won’t get replaced by anyone.
Dios X at the fightclub thing in LA said “Everything that was good about doom in Vanilla is better. And everything that was lack luster is now awesome. He’s going to be one of the top 3.”
Yeah I heard Dios hype him up. I dunno about top 3 cuz there’s still a lot of stuff to be done with the old and new characters but he’ll have the best balance of point game and assist game of probably any character in the game. Need a good point character? Pick Doom. Need a good assist character? Pick Doom. Need a good anchor…PICK FUCKING DOOOOOM.
Im still worried about haggars assist, but Nova seems super OP. Im not gonna say why because you better believe im going to use this broken ass character but you better be wary of this man. And it is going to be even more impossible to hit zero and trish. Good luck to all. I am hype for ultimate but I dont like everything I see.
(Lol at knowing “wall of text” is me. …I need to stop saying “lol”. I still have no idea when I stopped using it purely ironically.)
Yeah, Super Skrull was looking pretty good even before I saw the Auto-Tracking Death Penalty on the front page. Not that he was ever not good.
It’s even funnier since I still think he’s going to be the person who benefits from Air X-Factor the most save for maybe Storm.
Right, because building meter was so difficult in vanilla MvC3. Also, considering she has to get in to build meter unlike Morrigan assist or Thor or Felicia and she can’t get in…yeah.
Never said that he didn’t. However, even that has significant start-up that will just get him shot in the eye even more in a game where zoning is being buffed. So, like Stuart said, that’s basically the only good thing about him outside of Chaos Dimension shenanigans, which for some reason Capcom decided that Laura should able to do better than despite being able to move almost literally a dozen times as quickly and actually OTG off of it.
Hey, I never said she was good. She just that’s better than above two ultimately. Unlike Chunners, she can actually be a pest from a distance (even if not seriously threatening unless she hits you with an instant-dizzy item, which lets her go Gold and then tag out safely) and build meter with her random items and gongs. Unlike Shuma, her assist doesn’t stop if you hit her and then pause to B-boy pose before leaving the screen if it isn’t outright combo’d to death.
**I’ll also throw in that regular Phoenix is probably the absolute worst character in the game now. **Though to compensate Dark Phoenix will still most likely be the best character in the game.
There’s no way that regular Phoenix is worse than Hsien-Ko. They did nothing to nerf certain aspects of her game and her being really good at any one thing means she’s already better than Hsien-Ko/Haggar.
too much to calll at this point for me… but i WILL buck the system and say that i think zero will be worse not better. buster on hit from full screen is no longer get in for free. and hes weak to high end zoning. putting 2 and 2 together means that zoning based teams (of which there should be alot since the game is more catered to zoning) will give him a hard time. i think zero will be mid to high A. not s-tier. also, he lost tron assist as well and his meter build took hits. will special into buster be that good? we will see. is the soft knockdown nerf something that will really be felt or will he still be able to do 90% of his shenanigans on hit? we will see.
Looking for the brokeness: Vergil, Nova, Dark Phoenix still
Looking for allot more scary: CapAmerica,Doom,Dorm, Zero,
Yeah people Nemesis’ RL Slam only has a single hit of super armor so I don’t think it’s going to be the “new” godlike assist but this character sucks on point kind of thing. For one thing the assist is relatively slow when Nemesis comes out, most characters in the game will do more than one hit on occassion so that’ll knock him out of the armored mode pretty quickly especially someone like zero who has multiple hits in his normals. Can it be used in the same fashion? in theory, yes. However even so it is NOWHERE near as broken/great that Lariat and Tron’s Fire was.
On that note Nemesis’ really isn’t bad as people think he is he has allot of tools that I believe make him very viable. I don’t think he will be one of the more used charcters or in A tier or such but I don’t see him instantly being ass. The guy can combo off of 3/4 screen by himself he still has a chance against zoners. I can almost gurantee people online will complain/rage about Nemesis’ Biohazard Rush having 100% Hyper Armor.
(Good Hades that last post had too many negatives in places they shouldn’t have been. I need to proofread better.)
Nah, I don’t think regular Phoenix will be the absolute worst. Don’t get me wrong, DevilJin. She got the hell nerfed out of her health and specials and her Phoenix Rage, but her normals, especially her aerial ones, and mobility are still better than like half the characters in the game.
Sure, she’ll get rocked more by Ororo (even on block) and Magnus, appropriately enough, and probably some other people, but she’s not going to be Chunners bad even before Dark Phoenix Rises.
Fix the thread title. Busted, Bust, or Buster. Zero will be more broken than he is now, and he’s already top tier. Going to be absolutely, positively broken.
C.Viper. They took what may be the best non-Phoenix character in the game, and they buffed her. As well as her buffs, she got an indirect (but huge) buff from the air dash nerf. Quite surprising, although I don’t mind it because she’s extremely technical.
Air X Factor. This is gonna cause so much salt it’s not even funny. I personally think it’s great. I was pretty tired of having my last character get chipped to death on their entry. Still, there are some negatives. You though Hailstorm chip was bad already? Hailstorm XFC Hailstorm. Thanks to mashable hypers, half your health lolol.
I don’t know I feel like even Hsien Ko and Haggar can at least attempt to get at her now with the health nerf and homing H balls dissappearing if she gets hit. It doesn’t really matter though because if she has 5 meters she basically becomes 8 times better than both of them afterwards.
Zero will be more broken than he is now, and he’s already top tier. Going to be absolutely, positively broken.