Busted or Bust, lets bet on who/what ends up being broke

El_Maiz, MODOK on a bad day is still better than Hsien-Ko. :frowning:

Yeah. I just try to forget that Hsien-Ko is in the game.

Sorry, Hsien-ko players.

Hsien Ko, Chun Li and Haggar on point all sound rather bust still. Game being more centered towards zoning is going to be hell for Chun Li. She better be like the best character in the game when she gets in now. Haggar assist still good though. Least haggar gets to be good Capcom assist tier still.

chun li will stay a sick combo video character but be ass in the game

At least Chun can still wave dash safely. Sucks to be Morrigan.

I wish there was a way to regretfully like posts.

I like Morrigan’s assist over Chun’s tho so if I had to choose between the two I would go Morrigan. Plus at least Morrigan can cover her air dash before she goes in with some fireballs.

Chun Li is going to be doing vulnerable air dash or assist call plus SBK for her main get ins and neither one is going to survive big zone on their own. If she had a super with a big hit box that passed through zone she would be better off when the zone gets tough but kick super only goes so far across the screen and wont really get anyone at normal jump height. I still don’t know why she has fireballs.

Broken

Nova: OTG, wallbounces, airdash, flight cancellable specials, shield that damages you, one of his centurion arts goes through projectiles, another OTGs from fullscreen and another hits high. Pushblock pointless against him and if you drop a combo, eat a lot of damage. He seems to be a char who can do it all.

Firebrand: Air reign supreme with projectiles. So have fun.

Strange: Hello new Viper. Won’t see him much but the ones that emerge will make you go FUCK YOU!

Doom/Zero: Both of these gained great buffs(WTF?)

Viper: Same chick different day.

Dormmy: Gained some badass buffs. Be scared, very much.

Top
Hawkeye- mobile zoner who can set up unscaled damage and punish anything.
Strider/Vergil- with meter both of these are nightmares but both seem to require execution.
Storm- her damage is higher from the looks of it, so yeah still strong.
Magneto/Dante/Wesker/other top tier- Not OMG broken.

Don’t Touch except for Assist
Haggar/Nemesis/Hsien Ko/Chun(not even for assist)- yeah we knew this was coming.

Overhyped
Wright- teleporters will eat him alive. So be warned.

I’m just salty that she seemed to be getting some okay buffs and then all of a sudden the system mechanics change seemed to bump Morrigan even lower than what she was before. Was looking to put her on the team, but this change may be too much.

As for Chun, with her currently known ā€˜buffs’, she wasn’t exactly moving up anyhow. Chun forums are dead… looks like a similar thing will happen to Morrigan’s if she doesn’t have some amazing undiscovered tech.

On topic:

Seemingly go for broke broken on day 1:
Zero, Doom, Vergil

Potential to be broken:
Strange, Nova, Strider, Dante (now with more Vergil), Sir Dormington

Everyone who was top tier or tournament frequenters before will still be good.
Magneto (now with less swagneto), Storm, Wesker, Wolverine (now with less derp), Spencer, She-hulk, Tasky, Dark Phoenix Rises, Viper

Moving up in life:
Captain America, Thor, Skrull, Chris, T.R.O.L.L.D.O.K., Trish, Deadpool, Hulk, Felicia

Firebrand looking like he has a lot of Vanilla Wolverine style annoyance/pressure potential. If he killed you as fast as Vanilla Wolvie did I would put him up there higher but he’s looking solid high/mid at the least.

The change to air dash blocking is probably the single biggest buff to keepaway so far. We saw what happened to Amaterasu players at Ultimate NorCal vs Capcom when it was just her airdash that was nerfed - they exploded. People are going to have to relearn how to play the whole damn game because of that.

I think the new top tier looks like Viper/Zero/Trish. The rest of the Vanilla top tier looks like it was balanced well and I think they’ll all wind up around A to B tier.

Yeah the way this game is designed a lot of the characters will be legit, strong killing threats. You’ll have your tops but anybody can get fucked up cuz it’s Marvel and matchups change a lot depending on assists and team set ups also.

I’ll be fine with the air dash changes because Dante’s air dash is blinding fast any way and you really shouldn’t be air dashing too much against characters like Akuma any way.

I’m thinking Haggar becomes bust as Nemesis is now the assist of choice.

Doom
XF3
Zero
Viper
Phoenix
Hawkeye

Morrigan, Chun Li, Hsein Ko, V.Joe will be ass

Haggar will still be the only protective assist that hits on both sides and there’s going to be EVEN MORE left/right mix ups in this game. In other fighting games you’re usually just concerned about the high/low but in Marvel the big thing is the left/right and he’ll still be the only one that shuts down everything including the left/right.

I can’t believe shuma actually ate nerfs. What is this world coming to?

Shuma obviously has secret technology that Seth knows about that’s far beyond our human capabilities.

New characters notwithstanding, I think Viper and Trish sound the most beast out of everyone. With nerfs to most of the upper tiers (those 2 excluded) I wouldn’t be surprised to see Jill sneak her way into OP status. Could be the new Wolverine.
I’ve seen a few people mention Chris. I can’t see him being better than C tier in any way shape or form. His new buffs are cool but they fail to address his two huge weaknesses: Lack of ability to hit air space in front of him, and inability to mixup opponents.

Ah, Skrull. One of the secret top tiers everyone’s sleeping on. No nerfs, mega buffs (Air Meteor Smash, AUTO TRACKING DEATH PENALTY? Full screen high damage punishes WITH STAGGER STATE? My gawd…). He’s gonna be godlike (although he already is… people just don’t know).

Then there’s Viper, my other point character. She’s pretty much the best in the game already, and with no buffs, she’s going to stay that way. Again, one of the biggest sleepers in the game.

just to clarify the nerf I’m talking about
"shuma’s jump s no longer otgs"
This is a god awful change. He loses.
*a lot of reset opportunities using asissts with his jump s into very tricky setups
*comboing out of his grabs mid screen
*a way to relaunch with extending combos using assists with jump s otg… mystic ray only allowed you to relaunch if you did it with the most basic combo possible
This is a pretty big nerf, and it’s ridiculously stupid.