You can nerf the character, but you cant nerf the player. Cmon uppercut, you really want the best Sagat in the world to lose on the biggest stage so we might speculatively get buffed? Doesnt matter if they buff him beyond vanilla, that isnt going to propel any of us to top 8 winners at evo. He has my support 100% I hope he busts some ass tomorrow night.
Haha, no no Bonchan will have my full support on Sunday, inspite of what his winning might mean for Sagat. Bonchan is definitely the most underrated of the elite players by far, even though he has proven himself time and time again, and with a crippled Sagat no less. A more deserving winner I know not of.
Like we mentioned , the draw favoured him, this is why we don’t base tier lists on results otherwise Gen would be top tier.
As for Fei, I’ve watched bonchan in the Fei match, and I’d actually be more afraid of gackt than fuudo, a straight up fundamentas match is a piece of cake for bonchan , but gackt has some insane tech on sagat ( some of which no longer works) , he’s also more random and aggressive.
Regardless , I think bonchan can take both the Feis, my real worry for him would be if he faces Sako or Momochi. Aggressive reset/mix up characters are exactly where Gat crumbles.
Gackt also plays against Leslie.
Sagat is entirely balanced. He’s a great char. Losing damage hardly nerfs a character. Just look at Fei Long and Cammy.
High tigershot nerf is pretty big and unnecessary. He’s not balanced IMO, even bonchan thinks that.
Only reason people are taking notice is because he made finals.
lol @ comparing sagat with fei and cammy. Now please piss off we are not taking the troll bait.
Sagat is now in Grand Finals, guaranteeing 1st or 2nd at Evo 2014.
I await your collective apology. Sagat is entirely fair and still a great character. Damage nerfs are the most generous nerfs you could ever hope to receive.
Cry harder bout dat High Tiger Shot though.
Looking forward to all the excuses as to how Sagat still sucks in spite of Bonchan’s performance. No Johns kids, No Johns
Nah thats just a testament to how amazing Bonchan is, also that fei long rekka nerf was just the edge Sagat needed in the match, so many direct rekka punishes. Really hope Bonchan wins, but watching it now, and Louffy is just destroying the nerfed tiger shot game. Seriously really intense games!
That rose mu looked like it was 3-7.
Bonchan did his thing. Really, getting top 32 or better at EVO should be considered a win for anyone. That really is a bragging right.
Bon got 2nd, obviously getting one of the harder match-ups among the entire top 8 crew. Sagat is officially on the map. He’s been top 10 in every iteration of this game, and Ultra isn’t likely to be much different.
But yeah, I don’t wanna be here for all the salt that he’s somehow a garbage character in spite of doing well thus far in Ultra’s history. Great stuff for Sagat players, hope you all lrn2adapt
Man that fireball nerf and the buffs to Rose makes one ugly matchup for Sagat. Fei was also still favored by about 5.5-4.5 or even 6-4 and still Bonchan wins, mind you in the corner the whole time. Full credit to Luffy though, he played sensational.
There’s a few things I think were quite clear from this EVO:
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Sagat needs something to stop characters walking him down. It’s ridiculous that we are now expected to fight in the corner the whole game without taking absurd risks.
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Sagat needs to have a solid fireball game, otherwise he has no real answer to characters like Rose or Gouken. It was shocking to see that Bonchan felt the need to close in on Rose because he couldn’t control the fireball game. In AE, it was much harder for Rose to absorb fireballs because of high/low fireball combinations, but with -3, it’s now a lot easier to do so.
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Delayed wake up has really hurt Sagat in matches where he used to go on the offensive, I.E the Rose match up.
Or maybe Luffy played well?
Just a thought.
No doubt louffy played his ass off, as did bonchan, but can you honestly say with a straight face that that match looked fair?
Fireball game is honestly all sagat has, bonchan couldnt even do that. Homie had to play it like it was CVS2
Sagat is still a very good char, he cannot really go under mid tier with his tools. Yet his nerfs are really noticeable and, as a Sagat player, frustrating. The punch he packed with his AA, powerful combos into U1, TS pressure has diminished quite a lot.
Honestly all of the trolls who watched Bonchan’s excellent play throughout this EVO are little more than stream scrubs. Watching usf4 matches as some kind of flashy tv show and not understanding the gameplay. Who has the initiative, who applies pressure etc. Here’s a hint: spending a lot of time in the corner or walking back to it blocking/teching throws/poking with st.lk is not good.
This Shinji jackass is just trolling for the sake of trolling.
Elite Sagat players think the character is noticeably worse now(Bonchan, Hart and Leslie). Even elite players that don’t main Sagat(Daigo, Tokido, Fuudu, Mago and Kazonuko) all say it.
Just ignore the jackass.
ha yep if I had a quarter for every time commentators said “bonchan trying to fight out of the corner” I’d buy more beer.
Its brilliant though, they watch bonchan in the corner for 60 seconds scoring reaction st.lk xx tiger shot and all of a sudden that’s a viable strategy against the cast… And he MUST be top ten.
I guess that makes Rose easy top 5… hell gief must be in the 10…
The scary part about what you just said is that the sarcasm can very realistically be lost on so many people.
Whats really scary is the logic that because Bonchan made it to Grand Finals Sagat is a good character. I guess since a Yun didn’t made top 8 even, we need to give Yun more Buffs.
I never suggested that luffy played poorly, however it did seem clear that the match up is in rose’s favor.
Sagat’s only advantage lies in his fireball game, but rose has multiple ways of shutting down tiger shots.
This leaves sagat with very few options.
He can either try to rush her down or play defensively in the corner. Both options are advantageous to rose.