These are good changes overall. They would make for a very well balanced Sagat, but also give us some real buffs to enjoy as opposed to the joke ‘buffs’ we got this time.
Although I don’t think crouch fierce needs any additional active frames, just shorter recovery.
Btw, I know the new Tiger Knee is a buff, but what advantages does it actually bring, because I’m using it the same way I always have.
Yup , this is what happened to me but it was mid screen and Viper just fell out. I might hit the training room and test everyone with the hit confirm combo.
I’ve got a feeling now, we are just going to have to miss the step kick out on some chars.
Allows for easier linking of HK Tiger knee after BnB combos.
Minimizes the weird mechanic where you do a well placed tiger knee and the first hit connects while the second misses.
I noticed that I trade a lot more with shotos crouching mk when I do a random tigerknee, which never happened before, so my guess is it comes active earlier? not really sure but it could have something to do with the TK forcing opponents to stand so the second hit connects.
The knee buff is good when you do catch a lucky knee , but think the block advantage needs to be higher, for the spacing requirements it doesn’t offer enough potential unless you ham dp with two bars.
These are the Sagat changes I’d like…
Revert TS back to AE, for the love of god.
Make HP DP do Vanilla damage but no FADC, like Ryu’s, keep the other TU’s the same.
Make HK tk FADC forward +5 on hit
That’s it, if they don’t give him the St.LK back.
Other wise, just the St.LK + TS back is fine IMO.
Yup. Perfect, tweet combofiend plz
Until next patch, see you Unfinished SF4.
*Hopes Sagat comes back well from rehab.
Has anyone else noticed that Sagat’s standard hit confirm into ultra (i.e., crouch short x 2, crouch jab, uppercut FADC stepkick, ultra) misses hits on certain characters? I thought something was up so I just checked it in training and on Adon unless you are point blank when you start it only gets 14 hits and around 330 damage, which is barely any more than what that combo used to get in the corner when characters would fall out completely. And btw, this is with full animation. I.e., I’m not referring to when the entire last bit doesn’t connect sometimes.
I’ve noticed something like this against Gouken.
I am not sure if the damage output was different, didn’t really check, but something weird happend with that last animation.
Sometimes the whole Ultra was normal and sometimes it ended kinda weird, it looked like it depended on the range.
Yeah it does seem range dependent but I don’t think that should matter if the last section connects. Crapcom might have screwed it up when fixing the corner problem. Hence also the Decapre glitch.
Oh ultra 1 …you never cease to amaze me…come to think of it, both sagat’s ultras aren’t very useful in this version. This makes W ultra such a joy. but hey…it could be worse right?
Ultras have been playing less of a role in my overall game… the positive side effects of that is that i have become better at the fundamentals and trying to squeeze the most out of normals.
Just give us back the old ultra 1…falling out of the wall and all…at least you could have delayed FADC and dashed under the opponent to avoid the wall if need be.
I am not home for the weekend so I played a bit AE on my computer last night (which is btw basically unplayable). But damn that damage is nerfed when it’s used as AA.
And holy god the high tigershot nerf… didn’t think it was THAT noticable!
Crying so hard that Sagat got nerfed, yet here’s Bonchan doing super well with him.
Maybe, just maybe, the problem here isn’t Sagat…
Nah he did get nerfed, everyone knows that and admits that. Bonchan is one of the best Sagats in the world. Also I would really like to know what opponents he had to go through, cause there are some matchups that are just worse for him. Also Ryan Hart finishing top 32 hype.
Seriously, just fuck off dude, there’s always one moron. Bonchan also played Elena, Rolento - characters that have been in the game 5 minutes - compared to his 5 years experience, of course he’s going to body Wong playing Elena, or Ricky playing Rolento. He got a pretty nice draw for a Sagat player, he played Brollylegs chun, as well as a T-Hawk player if I remember.
He got nerfed, it’s universally fucking accepted by everyone but youtube idiots. The fact that Bonchan is doing well with him is a testament to how good he’s playing.
You want us to buff Evil Ryu because Daigo went out early? What about Yun?
Which is why Bonchan himself said he’s trash?
lol How butthurt are you over Vanilla Sagat?
yep that dude is stupid. bonchan is playing super well right now (one of the best in the world), and your right he did get decent match ups in jwong and ricky being terrified to play rufus so they go to mid-tier secondaries. If he went up vs smugs dudley, any of the top tier feis, things might be different.
Bonchan might get hardbodied by gackt, and i dunno if he can beat fuudo, fuudo plays literally like a robot. if grand final is fei vs fei I’m going to cry. Cmon bonchan and snake eyes!
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So you’re admitting to my point. I sense progress in your salty therapy.
>Sagat gets sensible nerfs (and sensible buffs)
>Still does amazingly at EVO (and SEA Majors)
But hey, I guess we can just sit here and make excuses that Bonchan got lucky in match-ups, instead of just acknowledging that a good player can make anyone work, which is why griping about nerfs is meaningless and you should just learn how to play 
nice troll attempt! you got your attention now please go away.
As skilled as Bonchan is, he’s had pretty easy draw compared to some of the other big names who went out early. He also was lucky to avoid many of gat’s worst matchups. I can see him winning this Evo because he has a pretty good handle of the feilong Matchups and he’s simply a more skilled player.
With that being said though, the best Sagat in the world being in Top 8 is not proof of Sagat being balanced. Following the opposite line of thinking, we will probably be seeing more nerfs for Sagat if Bonchan wins Evo.
I hate to say this, but it’s actually in Sagat players best interests for Bonchan to lose this thing. Insanity…