Probably Hawk, Dan, too. And then there’s a bunch of even-ish ones like Ryu, Sakura, Poisen.
He’s like ryu na. Most matches are even and the rest slightly tougher.
Even Daigo calling Sagat weak now, lol. I think it’s more than just the nerfs he received though, the other characters buffs are also largely responsible for the demise of the king. Even if they reverted him back to AE version, he would still struggle in this version.
My nigga I think I need to stage an intervention if you think most matches are even. Lay off the catnip crack young tiger, that path only leads to ruin.
Who do you think Sagat goes even with.
Cant wait to read this. Its gonna be fuckin gold I know it.
oh meh ged u so steuped emebrleord dunt u s33 sagat go even with cviper makoto fei long yun yang and wins all grapplers? juri iz veery izi noprob dudley just smack teh nigguh money free
Sakura even? I dunno about that. I agree with Poison being even
Is Ryu even though? With his jump ins, decent fireball game and mid range advantage (sweep, St. Lp) , I would think it’s at least 5.5 in Ryu’s favor. Particularly now with high TS nerf, he can almost jump in on Sagat from full screen
ryu MU 5-6 in ryu’s favor…better pokes,better walk speed,better dp,im running out ov options with sagat if anything my defence has gotten alott better but where’s the fun in blocking all the time .if one of my hero’s(ryan hart) duznt feel confident in using sagat then surely capcom must know they missed the mark a bit.my loyalty will always be with the king but damn when u play against a character that has an answer for all of sagat’s option’s then wat is the point?the ts buff would definitly be a gud start.im not one of those guys that cry if i dont get my way i just believe in a fair fight.
Not a Sagat main but I think I know what he needs.
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Vanilla ST LK back. This poke is as iconic to Sagat as cr mk is to shotos, so why should Sagats be so useless while shoto cr mk be so powerful?
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What EL said, Give him back big damage on deep tiger uppercuts,(150 ish) give him ass damage on traded TU’s and early TU’s.(50 ish)
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Add some extra pushback on his blocked tiger shots. He’s a zoner but he can’t push anybody out. Plus his shots are already mad negative on block so let them actually push characters out a bit.
I don’t think any of these changes would make him too good, just stop him from being complete ass.
If they don’t want to dish up damage on the TU then put it on the TK. If you made a single hit of TK do more damage, it would be better than the pittance he gets now because as it is, a completely random knee is the only way Sagat can gamble out of a bad mid range situation, thing is he doesn’t get rewarded for it.
Thinking outside of the box here’s some alternatives that could be done if they wanted to change it up.
1- Make the cr.mk actually hit at the tip, this would be massive.
2- Remove the dp trade completely in favour of invincibility frames.
3- Extend the range of his focus attack, this would allow 3 bar RF combo’s possible from a fireball cancel
4- Make his j.mk cross up - this move is 100% worthless.
Not going to happen, but I thought of those in about 6 seconds. Capcom…
I know i’ve said this before, but what on earth was the thought process behind decimating a midtier character that nobody considered a threat?
Anyway, I agree with the suggestion of vanilla standing lk…that or crouching mk hitting at the tip.
Tigershot recovery HAS to be reverted (playing sagat with no tigershots is just retarded)
I like the cross-up suggestion highland, however I do not think they would be so kind.
What makes it worse is all these commentators on tournaments reiterating stupid comments like “oh you thought this character was nerfed? …he is not nerfed” and other nonsense whenever Ryan hart wins a round. lets call a spade a spade …gat is a dud at this point…only people who play him are loyalists and people who cant be bothered to go through the learning curve of another character.
that last statement to true
I think they thought the DWU would be a big deal but really it’s just a minor inconvenience. Like I said on the Ultra thread, it’s all fine escaping a KD, but I’ve still got shit house footsie’s when I wake up.
You are right Krimzn, this is what it is for me now… I can’t bother going through the process of learning a new character, I am in the hopes that there will be some update in august that will fix a couple of things that seems too unfair right now. Also when professionals go out and say that the character is weaker than it used to be, and they really notice a difference, then I don’t like commentators go all like “Nope this character is not nerfed!”
yea i was wondering why commentators have been saying gat hasn’t be nerfed.
Whose opinion should you consider ? Daigo’s and Ryan Hart’s or some random commentator in the heat of the moment ?
My 2.cents on Sagats matchups in USF4:
(Further to the right - more well rounded. Further to the left - has faults)
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Emblem ima write out a list with some examples why I feel certain matchups are even etc when I get off work & uberpr0 slick mouth niggas get slapped bro remember that.
Playing a top Juri, there’s ZERO point in playing Sagat, it’s still easy 7-3, even if you get a life lead she’s throws out that bullshit Ultra. She can push buttons at will, it’s like playing Yun on roids.
I’ve always been one to try and work round bad matches but there’s no point, straight to Fei Long, no fucking around.
Is it really that bad? She doesn’t hit that hard (plus she has low health) and there are things you can do to stop her dive kicks.