Call me crazy, but I think Iron Fist is above Strider. Strider may have mixup potential for days, but if Iron Fist gets you into blockstun, more likely than not you’re getting opened up. He’s always one Unibeam, Plasma Beam, or Hidden Missile assist away from a kill. On top of that, he chips like… an ice chipper thingy.
I’d say the only thing that could make me think otherwise is Strider’s fullscreen hit confirm.
My problem with Iron fist is mobility, I don’t see how he’s gonna get close, and then when he does, I don’t see the potential for huge damage. It reminds me alot of Jill, but without some of her important tools. I hadn’t noticed his chip, I’ll have to look at that again.
My big reason for rating strider so highly is that I don’t feel he really needs alot of backup to enforce his game plan, he can just kinda go.
Again, when I actually get to touch the game I might do any number of 180’s on my thoughts.
Oh definitely things can change. Before vanilla dropped I thought I’d be playing Zero/Deadpool/Arthur. I had no interest whatsoever in Chris or Sentinel. Also thought Viper would have a hard transition because of her execution in SF4.
Just for discussion purposes:
Vergil - He’s wesker with a sword, ridiculous normals and a teleport. Has the potential to be really stupid with that sword super.
Ghost Rider - Has some really good normal’s and specials and a devastating lvl3. Huge damage. May have trouble with teleporters though.
Nova - Dude has a little bit of everything. Huge combo potential but iffy supers and good, but not amazing mobility. No projectile.
Strider - Low damage, amazing normals and space control. Incredible mobility and mixup potential.
Dr. Strange - He’ll need backup, but there is an insane amount of potential with hit tools. Limited mobility and iffy normals.
Firebrand - Reminds me of a better version of morrigan. Lots of tools but low damage and limited combo potential. Incredibly mobile.
Phoenix - Annoying, has some interesting stuff. Seemed to lack good confirms, has a luck factor which can work both ways. No real projectile.
Nemesis - Good armored (and un-armored) normals and specials plus huge damage. Practically has negative mobility.
Hawkeye - Annoying. Might be really good with backup. Seems to have limited options all around.
Iron Fist - Doesn’t seem to have much of anything really. Has a great mixup, so maybe good on the right team or if the different Qi modes are good.
But… how could he lose? He’s got a bionic arm.
i like this except that i think vergil has limited mobility that wasnt mentioned like it was for other characters.
also i wouldnt be surprised if ironfist has some sort of get in for free move. if he doesnt, hes basically chun-li status. funny thing about iron fist is that even though he can powerup his fists for more meter or damage (plus something else right?) he will probably only use one of those powerups, as they arent likely to be balanced perfectly between each other. one will end up being better in most sitiuations imho.
-dime
If he loves it so much, why doesn’t he marry it…
… oh… right…
Vergil has teleports and sword normals that scare me shitless. He does however lack good projectiles. I actually see bad matchups for Vergil and Ghost Rider, which is something I can’t say for Vanilla’s god tier.
Agreed on Iron Fist. I just haven’t seen that get-in move yet.
Though I haven’t seen it, some are saying his blue Chi power up absorbs fireballs on top of adding defense buff.
Did they mention how that worked? Like, is it a durability thing, a new property on his moves, or is he just immune?
I don’t think they are tbh, not many people are questioning his viability, it’s just that he looks “bland” to a lot of people
I guess I must be weird because when I first saw him I thought he looked amazing and flashy enough for my tastes. When they showed him hitting those divekicks, the full screen OTG slide and that heavy hitting overhead I got real hype. This kind of combo potential doesn’t come along too often
Nobody’s said anything afaik, it just happens in one vid.
I get the impression that IF’s advantage over Nova is going to be damage (even without Chi), but given that Nova seems to still be high damage, all the air options are substantially more important.
I really don’t see how Iron Fist is gonna do all hat much damage, unless his scaling is really F’d up or something. (ala Viper)
one of the things that scares me about IF is that i think capcom will “balance” his chi abilities by making both his damage and meter gain outside of chi use, shitty.
kind of like how they “balanced” ammys xf by not giving her any speed boost cause they thought that speed boost plus slowdown would be stupid… even in mvc3.
its interesting how things might play out.
-dime
I feel bad 'cuz its Nova thread, but I think its a different model at that, IF and Strange are both the ‘obvious amazing strengths and obvious amazing weaknesses’ model, whereas like Nova and vergil are the ‘just generally pretty good’ model.
Just watching, IF’s non-chi damage seems failry high, his non-chi health seems average, and his non-chi meter gain seems entirely normal. They balanced the powerups with absolutely no air mobility options, which pretty crippling.
With Nova I’m kind of worried that he’s going to be Magneto without Disrupter.
To add to the Discussion
Vergil - I think the most dangerous thing about vergil will be his Normals which have ridiculous priority and range. His air game seems very suspect.
Ghost Rider - I think he will be the Man the first week especially in online play. He might be solid after the newness of the game wears off but he wont be as strong as initially believed.
Nova - Removing all bias and sticking to the facts…It is hard to not see him being very powerful. I do not think he will be overplayed unless someone wins a major with him or we see him all the time on stream. Most of the general public has no Idea who he is.
Strider - I could be wrong But I think he will be the most powerful of the new characters on the capcom side. He seems to have everything needed to get in stay in and kill you.
Dr. Strange - I think he will be a lot like C viper. Super high execution barrier but will probably be the new Secret S tier character.
Firebrand - Its hard to not see how good this guy will be. He has tons of mobility and tons of options the only thing he is lacking is damage.
Phoenix - A Character that I am going to pick one time in training mode play with for 4 hours then never touch again. I have a feeling he was made to replace Dark Phoenix. Yes I am Serious.
Nemesis - People that spamm H with hulk or Spamm S with Sentinel will pick Nemesis.
Hawkeye - I think hawkeye is being slept on … Dude has a lot of mobility options a super that can punish ** ANYTHING **a super that does not scale and she hulks old slide.
Iron Fist - There is video of him taking about 3/4ths of ammys life from full while she was blocking in like one combo… He hits hard… Very Very hard… I’m just not sure he can land that first hit. If he can actually get in he will be a monster. @CTG yes the blue (Defense) hands can absorb fireballs watch his reveal fights when akuma tosses an air fireball at him … he just absorbs it.
Since he does kung-fu, shouldn’t it be “Qi”?
I noticed you used my order? Is that the order you would put them in too?
It’s seventies americanized exploitation Kung-Fu, its totally “Chi”.
LOL
I will continue to use Qi so I sound smart… 
Iron Fist’s big damage only comes from his damage buffing stance doesn’t it? His damage potential may not be that high in all honesty unless he can crumple airborne opponents. He’d be pretty limited with just a jump cancel loop into super but that is how I’m imagining his hit confirms against airborne opponents will look unfortunately. And his air grab is not very good either. I’m interested to see how he will be able to approach and open people up, if anybody needed a command grab of some sorts, it’d be him