phoenix is a good anchor only with 5 bars plus , you know , she is PHOENIX
plus spencer isnt that great of a anchor , just because combofiend makes it work dose not mean that hes a great anchor thats just combofiend
Wait… did someone here actually just say Magneto isn’t that good of an anchor!!!
What game are you playing?
I’m not saying that just because of Combofiend. Spencer is good at opening people up and his XF3 is really good. He blows up people with magic series into otg into 1-bar supers he can build himself. He’s self-reliant, that’s why he’s a good anchor, not because Combofiend rocks him. Combofiend could rock Hsien Ko if he wanted.
And yes, Phoenix is a good anchor with 5 bars, but that’s the character. You can’t say she’s a bad anchor just because she needs super because, obviously, people who play her are playing at getting those bars, and then it’s a matter of how good player A is with a character that needs bars to be effective. Viper is also kind of a meter hog and if you intend to play her you need to be able to get around that, but that’s just the character. We don’t think Viper sucks at her thing just because she needs bars, you just assume that whoever runs her should be good at getting them or should play another character.
None of that discredits the fact that being a good anchor means being able to deal good damage on your own. If Hsien Ko had some “come back from the dead” mechanic, with one bar, even, she would still suck as anchor because she can’t deal damage or mix people up for shit. DP is good because she has the feathers that poke whatever is coming her way, the salty balls that don’t let you touch her until she’s ready and the teleport to open you up and kill you in a single XF3 combo. She’s good because she opens you up and deals good damage before you can do the same to her, however many bars she needs to do that is circumstantial.
spencer isnt great at opening people up really
well i dont belive anyways
Off topic but I have to disagree that spencer isn’t a good anchor, more often than not as long as spencer has meter you can’t do anything from 3/4 away. Sounds pretty good to me, but Nova as an anchor only time can tell. I don’t really see anything that stands out especially with x-factor becoming normalized most good anchors in vanilla had crazy damage/speed boosts now it’s just an even playing field.
Sorry man… but what the fuck? This is just… wrong…
bionic arm isnt anything more scary than any beam super , dose that mean ryu is a good anchor aswell?
Spencer isn’t self-reliant in the slightest, he’s one of the most assist reliant characters in the game. Without help he has no mixup and no approach (he still has his post combo setups). All he has is one Bionic arm XFC since he has no DHC’s at that point and that really sucks by comparison to most other characters.
Magneto, Wesker, Dante, Viper, Dormammu, Phoenix… those are good anchors.
Except it totally is considering you can in some cases get a full combo off of it.
You can’t tell me she doesn’t use bars. Sure, she’s efficient with them, and mostly builds them up herself but she uses bars.
Same with Phoenix. Sure it’s five fucking bars, but you can’t tell me they’re not worth it. It’s still efficient.
And Magneto is just a good character. People end up running him as anchor because he’s godlike though, so I kinda agree.
Stay away from my team, You have been warned.
Touch of death leaves you with half a bar left. Viper is one of the best batteries around only Magneto and Dante to better. I don’t really know what Vipers you play or how you play her, but you don’t seem to know much about the characters your using as examples.
Front page has a good write up of Nova’s abilties. Just wanted to say that since alot of folks ignore the front page.
i can do a easy viper combo without any meter, and fill 2… and without any assist
And those combos burn no bars whatsoever, in the beginning, middle or end?
I don’t play Viper myself (though I usually spar with a pretty scary one). Maybe I haven’t seen all of her tech, but my point is not that she’s bad battery or will leave you meterless, but precisely the opposite; that efficiency as a character has more to do with results than anything else. Who cares if the best anchor in the game burns 5 bars to show up in the field? Those 5 bars are absolutely worth it.
As for Viper, I agree with you that the amount of meter she leaves you with is more important than however many meters she built and burned during whatever combo. I don’t really know what we’re arguing about, really. You seem to think I called Viper inefficient, when my whole point is that when it comes to meter the thought process should be precisely the other way around.
So then… what is your point exactly?
You either play the character well or you don’t, there’s no point in even dicussing all the ways someone can play badly.
Somebody said that Phoenix was only good because she used 5 meters up. I said that is no point to make because they’re worth it. I used Viper as an example of someone who burns a zillion bars and yet is efficient.
So my point was more of a counterpoint.
But this whole mess started because I said that it seems to me like Nova is either gonna be a decent point people will ignore in favor of others, or a really good anchor. And somebody else said that anchors need to have good assists to be considered anchors. And to that I said that more than good assists they need to be able to deal good damage by themselves, like Phoenix, who has no assist worth mentioning and yet could still be considered the best anchor. And somebody said that 5 meter thing I mentioned above.
So yeah, do you, FlyingVe, think of Nova as more of an anchor or a point or a nothing because you’d rather not speculate?
actually i said phoenix was a good anchor when she has 5 bars she isnt so great as a anchor with 1 bar now , im not sure what point you’re making
I guess I misunderstood you then. Apologies.
To be honest I see Nova as pretty flexible, he could probably function in all three spots. He has good mobility and some solid tools for opening people up. I would think he’d be best in first or second because he doesn’t really have any fullsreen presence to speak of. However, depending on the properties of his moves (armor for example) and his supers this might be a non issue. Plus I think the pulse and overhead/OTG assist look pretty useful. Right now, I think he’d be best in first, because I don’t think DHC’ing into the non-redlife version of his hypers is worth the bar or is very safe.
EditL just remembered his charging assist wallbounces, that could also be useful.
^Well, obviously, but that’s besides the point. It’s like saying Wolverine is only good if you use Berserker Slash. It’s something the character has, you can play him/her wrong if you want to, that doesn’t make the character a lousy choice.
Heh. Don’t worry about it. I’m kind of lousy at making my points so I get chewed up a lot.