Bison Labwork: setups, option-selects and unblockables (updated 4/2013)

So EVO is finished, and USF4 is still far ahead in early 2014, and i got alot of tech. So why not share it now so people can use it before it might removed/nerfed.
(Also credits to Kim1234 for helping me out with some setups!)

Note: Some setups are just to show that a fake crossup is possible, even though the setup might be unsafe against some stuff.
2nd note: I might post some more the next couple days, so i suggest you subscribe or watch srk forums.

Yun/Yang fake crossup after quickstand
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2HbUXf7OiTo

Yun/Yang fake crossup after normal stand
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGuL0FPl5d4

Viper/Juri fake crossup after quickstand
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cow6mJYlwc

Viper/Juri fake crossup after normal stand
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MBmI0lI11do

Vega backthrow unblockable setup
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ntdd8rREb5U

Seth fake crossup after quickstand
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iNxu-zoh3sw

Seth fake crossup after normal stand
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apDWKaLKJU0

Seth backthrow unblockable setup
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UtO-AJuH0F4

Sagat fake crossup after quickstand
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BPLb9sY84YM

Sagat fake crossup after normal stand
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jSiN4hOaLE

Ibuki/chun li corner unblockable after sweep
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rs2nfgWQ4MM

Ibuki/chun li corner unblockable after sweep 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4VZ-_xIaB0

Ibuki/chun li corner unblockable after sweep 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTbb7MJnABk

Dhalsim fake crossup after quickstand
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7isuWSxL4f4

Dhalsim fake crossup after normal stand
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AC4EACVqY7Q

Crossup headstomp after expsycho
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7P8dhnhXIQ

Deejayy fake crossup
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MuIhiyF_Fpw

Abel fake crossup OS sweep
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zARHds0siuc

Fei long fake crossup 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=en4Pjxy9KVk

Fei long fake crossup
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbdKtZfV_3k

Sakura corner unblockable
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak3d6ggaF3w

Guile fake crossup
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZrFoP1ERRk

Rufus fake crossup safejump
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzMN_9msSzc

Balrog fake crossup
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bfjROtLlc8

Cammy fake crossup
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U53E0aGKt2c

Brilliant info Chaos. Cheers.

When is this thread gonna get stickied? This is “the” most important thread imo.

50/50 on cammy ibuki and sakura.

Really strong on sakura since there are no midscreen unblockables on her. There are a few escapes, but they are different for Hp and HK, so you force the opponents to make a big guess.

For Cammy and Ibuki, its still really strong.

  • You get to maintain your charge because you know which side youre gonna land on (The unblockable will always be a guess)
  • 10 times easier to do than the unblockable, so when youre failing youre unblockables, you can just use this.
    added note: ITS ALSO SAFE AGAINST CAMMY/IBUKI dp’s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkV42R-PqiI

Another somewhat easier fake crossup on guile that also builds some meter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc6NCrmX5YQ

For a while now ive had discussions with people that claimed the backthrow unblockable that bison has on shotos and more is a safejump setup also against DP’s.
Ive always said its unsafe, but people dont know how to anti air it. Its no shame if you didnt know, because even the most godlike players like Tokido and Mago didnt know when i played them at CanadaCup 2k12 (Theres a vid of me vs mago and he just ate the unblockable)

The key to most characters is heavily delaying youre DP while crouching. The unblockable doesnt hit meaty, So you are able to crouch making the setup hit a bit later.
Some characters like Fei long are only able to do so with a certain button, in Fei longs case, its LK flamekick.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RF8gKNhPOF8

Alternative viable setup for the sakura corner unblockable

Note: the MK ahs to be slightly delayed to get the unblockable. Press it too early and you just end up on top of her head.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92GEVmkygd4

Better setup for the balrog fake crossup

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSixXZrugAQ

And a fake crossup on Ryu. However Dp hitboxes are OP and its unsafe. But a interesting thing happens when someone tries to quickstand mash shoryu for example. The scissor kick switches sides, and nullifies the dp input.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YxFRYYE5xeg

Akuma safe corner unblockable!

http://youtu.be/6zmcCImunHA

Chun li/Ibuki corner unblockable after scissors

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=at5MvrN_hhk

Great tech ChaozTheory.
After trying some of these out (mostly the akuma corner unblockable), I found this…strange shit. If you mistime the akuma corner unblockable it becomes super-blockable. Doesn’t matter what side you choose to block.
http://youtu.be/cyNZHWDvt5w

Happens with every shoto, Ibuki. Didn’t test the whole cast.

These “unhittable” setups where the opponent is able to block both ways occure alot when you spend some time in training mode.

Unblockable setup after psycho crusher. Basically same situation after the backthrow unblockable setup, same characters, same options against it.

EDIT: IMPORTANT its only possible after a close cr.mp into HP psycho crusher
http://youtu.be/fNbeEFRjC98

And also for Seth

http://youtu.be/weMSjIylRJo

^^now THAT’S a setup worth remembering

I don’t think the distance after psycho crusher is consistent enough to always setup an unblockable. It depends on what you use to combo into it, and sometimes the camera affects the positioning. Will definitely play around with it though.

Forgot to add my note LOL

Its only possible after a close crmp into HP Psycho crusher!!!
cr.mk/st.hp both create a different distance

Excellent stuff Chaoz

For the corner setups, does it always have to be 4 cr hits xx lk.sk? Or is it basically anytime we land a lk.sk? What if I only land only: cr.lk, cr.lk xx lk.sk, does the setup still work?

It doesnt matter what combo you use or how you land it. A clean lk.sk, 2x cr.lk into lk.sk or 4x cr.lk. it doesnt matter as long as it ends with lk scissor

so in a real match that set up can be an unblockable even if in training stage you block it either way?

No in a real match it would still be unhittable. What i meant was when im in training mode trying out stuff, i often get stuck with a unhittable setup, leading up to nothing.

If some of you don’t now yet. You can safe Cammy after a scissor kick LK. To do it the scissor kick must be landed at the right range.

There are few setup like :

  • After a jump MK cross up by doing cr.LP > st.LK > cr.MK > “Scissor Kick LK…and then immediately Jump HK”
  • After a jump HP by doing cr.LP > cr.LP > cr.MK > “Same”
  • After a scissor kick into FADC combo by doing cr.LP > cr.LP > cr.MK > “Same”
  • After cr.LK x 4 > “Same” (don’t work after Scissor Kick into FADC

If Cammy tech and do a reversal dp, it will wiff and you will be able to punish her with : sweep, throw, BnB, FA level 2, Jump MK/HK > combo, or even Jump MP-MP > Ultra
If Cammy crouch she will get hit (even by doing any move)
If Cammy tech and backdash you can’t OS it

If Cammy doesn’t tech you can do another safe jump forward (MK or HK). Notice that this is a cross up and you have to jump as soon as possible again. There is no timing.
If Cammy doesn’t tech and backdash, she will avoid your jump. It can be punished by OS st.hk (loose against reversal dp)

Please tell me if you have the same results than me.

Chaoz - your tech is really nice, especially since it is based on a normal scissor kick combos, but does any of it work on people who quick rise or is it normal-rise only?