Bison Labwork: setups, option-selects and unblockables (updated 4/2013)

Hey everyone against that unblockable on Shotos I mainly use it on Ken since he can only attempt do FADC through it. I have trouble on deciding if it will cross up or not sometimes, I end up charging on the wrong side in attempt to do a BnB. <div><br></div><div>back throw> dash in > wait > Cross up mk/HK</div><div><br></div><div><br></div>

When you throw someone in the corner with a backthrow, after you have established the “dash~neutral safe jump hk” on them, you can mix it up with the other 2 kicks for different blockstuns (obviously) or even do the Secret Sun Worshiping Technique, dash~neutral jump mp whiff and then grab them immediately or go low. I saw Gagapa doing it in Cannes and been using it since to mindfuck people :stuck_out_tongue:

Why are no EX Psycho Corner Mix Ups in the list ? EX Psycho in the corner is awesome after forward throw --> sweep --> EX Psycho --> Back Throw or HS is a nice option … not totaly safe but it adds more options to your corner game.

Not worth burning the meter, doing that in offline play will get you killed with those 1-2 frame links after having blocked the ex pc.

Anybody play with whiffing normals to make last minute changes to spacing over a kd’d opponent? I see Dogura do it a lot with close mk, and I don’t think he’s doing it for timing. It seems like he’s doing it to quickly change the spacing, so that he’s in a better spot to walk back and punish whiff crouch tech.

Yeah I do the whiff st.mk alot too it also pushes you far enough to force shoryukens to whiff if you walk a little back. Works like a charm.

yup I’ve been trying it out online more after bnbs into lp psycho and lk scissors, definately good in the corner, just loved the way Dogura used it at evo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTxug18OqEQ&feature=youtu.be

got a new corner setup against seth, dudley, gouken, juri, rufus

psycho crusher fadc. j.hp/j.mk is a non crossup agaisnt these characters. if they don’t quickstand just wiff cr.jab and jump again(timing is a bit difficult, if you miss it they can block both ways, like the rest of the cast).
if you press j.mk during the last frames of the jump it will still crossup

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3yPoxd7y64

another setup
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X92jj0h5h4I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ0qi5Ipll0

What are some of the more useful Bison U2 setups people use against opponents? (whiffed normals setups etc). Possibly when you have a big life deficit and need a 2-3 guesses for the win

This is the most beautiful thread. What the devils reverse tech dogura uses? When are the best times/setups to use that. Probably after fwd and back throw right?

There is a gimmick setup I had found awhile back against Guile that he can’t jump out or flashkick out of (it reversals the wrong way and he still gets hit). I wrote it in my notes as backthrow -> cr.hp -> u2, but you can double check the timing. It should be cr.hp though, because I remember Kim saying he had pretty much the same setup, but with cr.mp->cr.mk instead, which is the same timing anyway (36f), except more error prone. He also said only to use it in the corner, because then you can truly make it a mixup and go front/back, but a backthrow into the corner against Guile is pretty rare. Guile can still press buttons to hit you out of it, or he can backdash if he inputs it properly. I never added gimmicks to the thread because gimmicks work better when there’s less information on them.

I don’t go for U2 mixups for oki all that honestly, because I find they’re not very effective. They’re like Blanka U1 setups. You might be able to get away with it on characters like Fuerte, Juri, Makoto and Gouken though.

Dogura uses back/front throw -> empty devil reverse -> auto correct lk scissors/ex pc. The tech existed before then, but Dogura popularized it.

Thanks.

Yeah it’s not something I have ever used much myself, but I’d like to have a few options ready incase I’m in that bad a situation.

Yeah for some reason I’m having trouble with the dr auto correct scissors.
Can someone break it down for me?
Unless it’s this.
Back throw > devils revers asap > hold direction of opponent > do scissors when I’m over them?
Actually shit I’m having trouble with a few of these setups. But I’d appreciate help with this one.

Also having trouble with this Bnb combo into lp crusher -> hp crusher
I’m assuming the bnb would be cr.lp st.lk cr.mk lp crusher land on same side then hp crusher?
I can never make it cross up :frowning:

Backthrow - Hold away from opponent - Land and hit forward then back immediately then Short. It will auto correct if you land behind and just come out if you land in front.

If you hold towards the opponent on the way then you will not be charging.

That’s probably what I was doing wrong thanks so much. I’ll try it.

So what exactly is the mixup with it?
Oh I see it’s pretty random is there any way to control it?

You can play with the timing so that sometimes you land in front, giving you a basic left/right mixup. Because meaty scissors is unthrowable and goes over crouch techs, the opponent will get hit if they try to tech a throw on wakeup. They can always autocorrect reversal you, but since you land before they wakeup, you can just block.

It’s not a great mixup, but it’s nice to use once in awhile.

It’s one of the reasons I wanted to use Bison I saw Dogura fucking with it and I was so confused but the commentators flipped their shit so I thought wow that must be cool I should try Bison. Then I came here and saw the thread you made ghost and I was like this is the best thing ever. Every character should have a thread as devoted and amazing as this.

Just a note I will be asking a lot of questions because I’m doing well with Bison but theres always room for improvement so please don’t get fed up with me too quickly haha :wink:

The funny thing is that Mike Ross didn’t actually get hit by that mixup, if I remember correctly he actually blocked the auto correct SK but then he flinched and tried to cr.lp and got stuffed by cr.lk to lk sk.

It can be nice to try every once in a while…about as much as skulldiver. It drives me insane when people make far more out of it than it is (I have actually heard some people try and point to this gimmick as a valid reason of why Honda vs Bison is either even or advantaged for Bison lol)