Thanks for the info/tips. #5, I noticed when I did get a knockdown I would back up up to half screen or full screen. I do need to stay in his normal range. Also, I need to work on my jump-ins.
Thanks for the excellent info. I’m sure I’ll be playing Haunts again on the stream soon and hope to post my progression against him.
hey rogs, please tell me how can i record my game play ? i tried to record with Fraps but it made my game lagger
this is an amazing thread, where i can post my loss games and learn something more from you all
I use a hauppauge to record my games.
I use an HD Sony camcorder…
@Black Vegeta
Sagat is tough for Rog, but if I could give you one bit of advice it would be patience. When you play a Sagat you hav to expect lots of tiger shots to move you away. Dont worry about the chip damage too much and just be patient. Remember that if he gets you at full screen be selective and absorb some of those TS. This will build your meter and force Sagat to think a bit differently. Slowly move in between tiger shots, get within range of your jab dashing straight. This is a good range to be at, especially if you have a full ultra or super as you can punish a fireball if your quick enough.
Remember not to try to punish a blocked tiger knee, and if he starts jumping in on you, use your crouching FP for AA. If he gets in backdash, it helps out a lot.
Things to practice that will make you a better player and a deadly Sagat killer.
Dash Ultra, jab>rushing straight, and remember that even if Sagat crouches your standing jab still hits him, so get good at the jab to crouching fierce link. You can link 4 jabs into a crouching fierce on Sagat and Gief.
Watch this video for a good example of how to fight Sagat with Rog http://frame-advantage.com/beta/home/638-li-joe-sagat-vs-vvv-scrub-boxer
Get into the mindset that Sagat is really not that bad to fight, if you get the spacing right, and believe me… not everyone is Long Island Joe.
Do that all day imo.
Thanks, Im looking forward to playing Haunts again one of these nights. Once we go at it again, I’ll post the vid.
I’ve been trying the jab > straight some random Sagats online and it helps tremendously. I’m working on the dash ultra in practice mode which I can do constantly, but Wien it comes to real match I tense up. I’ll get him, watch 
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Something along those lines, I wager 
Don’t want to rant about myself but as far as I’m concerned I think I do ok with the basics for someone who only ever played 1-2hrs per session / two sessions [max] a week but basics only get you so far. I’ve a lot of bad habits (Jumpins, EX RU for no reason etc) poor crossup blocking and quite a number of matchup issues where I’ve not faced enough of X character to really be able to handle them properly yet, so apart from obvious bad habits, lack of spacing/footsies, half consistant combos and matchup specific things I’ve no idea what else to think. I used to complain that my 30FPS and using a Keyboard was a handicap but I don’t think about that, anymore, that’s not an excuse if I just plain suck.
I’ll be taking a gander at the options select thread for more advice and I also got some nice ideas from the “Needs More Dudley” thread from some of the movies but as of right now I’m something like this:
When it’s going my way:
Ryu - [media=youtube]13AqzmDP5KY[/media]
Seth - [media=youtube]V02xy-6HFzM[/media]
Akuma - [media=youtube]xDpD6MsD88s[/media]
When it’s not going my way:
Dhalsim - [media=youtube]BrGI6pqeeVU[/media]
Akuma - [media=youtube]eqWu67S9b0A[/media]
Gouken - [media=youtube]MxpypDDNbIs[/media]
It was even stevens once I was given a chance to adapt to specific characters but ultimately I suck at Adapting to jumps and the likes. Hoping people can point out some other things (non habit based) to work on, or maybe specific matchup advice other than whats already available here on SRK.
good vids rope. more anti air dude. you’re leting people jump in on you too much. I am also guilty of this, but yeah better spacing more AA.
oh and i’d probably be using ex torpedo or dash punch more over headbutts hoping to catch.
nice job!
Just a few notes on the Akuma match you lost:
Just echoing what foxisquick said: You’re getting jumped on a lot. I would suggest putting more effort into learning how to AA properly. Match-up strategies, spacing, footsies, and your other skills are going to be useless if your opponent can jump in for free. Watch round two and you’ll see that you lost that round because you couldn’t stop his jump-ins.
Maybe it was online lag, but you missed a lot of easy punishment opportunities. For instance, 3rd round should have been yours after you baited out a whiffed reversal SRK, but you left it unpunished. One more hit would have KO’d him.
IMO non-auto corrected ex RUs are safer than headbutt for escaping cross-up jump ins on your wake up. From what I’ve seen, non-ex headbutts can get stuffed, and ex headbutt doesn’t get you to a safe distance. (Akuma for example can still catch you with a sweep before you recover) You might want to try experimenting with it a bit.
Big thanks guys, spot on advice - Only recently started to actually use DownFierce and that’s the truth, I worked so hard on trying to flatten out other issues with my game that I find myself often forgetting it completely - I do use EX RU at times for getting out from under pressure but on that occasion I felt a bit desperate and took the headbutt gamble (And lost - I don’t resort to random headbutts anymore like I used to, but there are times under pressure where I feel I should try my luck out of sheer desperation - Another bad habit in itself). Regarding the baited SRK, you’re spot on with that and I was kicking myself because it’s not the first time a match turned out the same way and either nerves or playing too safe would prolong the outcome rather than just hitting that fierce punch or doing anything other than let it slide 
I’m a bit of a nervous player when it comes to SF4 and I think that doesn’t help with judgement calls but the AA Advice and getting more solid punishes is definately right and I’ll put that in the works!
Critique these balrog matches for me?
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=BA86D317EFC86206
http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=E740FD4A43AD09F8
get into training room now. you missed bnb headbutt combos far far too much. that should be priority one before anything.
you need to blockstring more, sometimes you get one blocked c.LP and you just flat stop… why? you can hit a few more and end with a dash punch. also you’re jumping in far too much on ken when you should be poking him with s.HP and s.HK. Also use more ex dash/torpedo. you aren’t using it enough and it blows right through ken when he’s using too much walk forward kick/c.mK. seriously though you gotta get those BNB going.
I would suggest not using too many torpedo punches. They’re too easy to counter in the long run, especially if you start using them too much. True, ex torpedo is safe on block, but your opponent also has a lot of options that can beat it on reaction.
Sideshow20 - Some things to add in addition to what foxisquick said. Too many overhead attempts. They’re too obvious and you’ll get punished each time it’s blocked. Work on getting that cr. Fierce reaction to AA. Use cr. Strong > Headbutt to punish whiffed/blocked DPs. Or go with an Ex Upper loop.
RopeDrink - I only watched the Akuma video, but I see you let him charge up that FA in front of your face at the end. I would have just ultra’ed that since he was so close. Ex Upper into cr. jab, cr. short should give you enough time to hit confirm the heabutt. Definitely saw some cr. Fierce opportunities, but you know that. Aaaah, that match was yours at the end. st. Fierce/Roundhouse.
Indeed - I’ve relatively weak reaction time to specific details - In general things I can be ok but for the real nitty gritty stuff my mind blanks. I will admit, though, that over the 50 games I’ve played with that player, his focus game did scare me a bit - Lots of mini focus cancels to absorb Rushes/Sweeps and othertimes when expecting a dash cancel (before I think of jumping in time) he released a full one into a crumple punish.
I haven’t played long enough to really work on the small details hence asking for advice and figuring them all out. My combos are ‘ok’ (I have off days - Im sure we all do) but overall I’ve got the simple basics down relatively decent, no concept of spacing but I’m working on that, footsies aren’t too good at all but thats in the works. Admittedly it’s a slow learning process for me due to not playing as much as others - It took me about a month of Champ Mode before I even considered learning how to do a JabShortHeadbutt properly, for example, so with that in mind I hope I’m on the right track.
My crossup blocking can be ok in matches where I don’t need to adapt - The player was using ChunLi, Bison, Fei Long, Dhalsim, Akuma, Ken, Ryu, Gouken, Seth & Zangief over the 50 games so I found it relatively hard to adapt to the differences each time. Only character of his I beat relatively soundly (no losses) was his Gief, funnily enough.
I get off-put a lot by players who can do a decent job with console characters - I had only ever fought Fei/Seth/Gouken/ 2-3 times in all my months of SF4 so I’ve also got to learn all that, too.
Anyhow, will stop ranting and work on the tips everyone has given - I’m sure there’s tonnes more that needs work but this is a nice start so thanks again, all!
cool thanks for the tip guys.
Don’t want to be overstaying my welcome as I’ve already asked for some pointers from movies but I’m in a bit of a rut. I notice myself taking a note of so much wrong with my game (bad habits, no option selects etc) but it seems to take forever to flatten them out, often one by one. I’ve only adopted 1-2 new things since I last posted here and it’s helped a little with my reaction time and opened a few more options but ultimately I feel I’m going nowhere fast and I just know I’ll never be any more than a typical average player at my very very best (and thats being generous).
I used to struggle with the Bison matchup (or at least against a certain player/skill rather than Bison in general) and I made progress there but now I’ve been sparring with a chap who plays a very overbearing aggressive Akuma and it’s really tested my lack of ability to keep up with his antics and really puts my crossup blocking, bad habits and reaction to shame - Hoping some of the experienced Rog’s could take a moment and throw in their 2cents.
The player in question is very aggressive and I’m never sure just what I can DownFierce AA from Akuma’s Flipping - Also, when I get desperate I resort to trying to escape with Headbutts or EXRU but often end up getting sweeped anyways so I tend to hold back a lot more than I should - I got lucky on one occasion but the bloke has a stable 3-4:1 win:loss in their favour when we fight - I managed to hold my own the 2nd sparring session, better than the 1st time, but I’m no match for him at all in the long run.
Hoping people can give some general tips on the situation - I can’t help but be proud of this one in particular because I feel I got lucky with the only half decent fight I managed to put up, but the rest show the other side of the spectrum.
Lucky Me:
[media=youtube]USs-Kr1KbUc[/media]
Not So Lucky Me:
[media=youtube]HZ30e8CUO64[/media]
[media=youtube]hKUoIklZqe8[/media]
Thanks to any/all people who watch and/or give critique for those - I feel a bit desperate, as if I’ve hit my learning cap even though I’m still nowhere near beyond being anything more than typical.
EDIT: Also, on the point of ‘trying 1-2 new things’, bless me I’ve been playing for months but have only now started trying my hand at dash-cancelling rushes into throws or pressure strings, TAP into meaty CMK,CLK>X Move (Mostly for Bison, took that from DeeDoggs movies of him fighting BRONXPUERTOROCK in the Needs More Dudley thread) and making a point of going for throws after whiffed uppers on crouching opponents seeing as it may help me and my terrible habit of EX RU’ing all the time - You can see me failing at these things here but the fight is more fun than serious as the above Akuma player is messing around with Honda [and still kicks my ass bar this fight].
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Again, really sorry for re-posting more stuff here but I feel that if I don’t persue more info then I’ll end up stuck the way I am right now - Finding it very very hard to improve things :crybaby:
RopeDrink
Everybody plateaus at some point, RD. Everybody hits a wall eventually. You did a lot of questionable things vs that Akuma, but you’ve been around long enough to be able to identify what those things are and how to fix them. You’re not a scrub anymore. You’ve come a long way in the last few months. You know what you’re doing. You can sort things out. Maybe you just need to take a break from Rog. Maybe gain some perspective by working with other characters. Or maybe you just need to stick to your guns and bust through that wall. I’ve said this about you using a keyboard, but it also applies to using a character; the key to being proficient with any medium is repetition. Either way, you’ll get there, bud. You don’t need assholes like myself telling you what you’re doing wrong or what to do. You know what to do. So get to it.
I really don’t wan’t to take a break from Rog, he’s the only character I know (or at least half know) and considering the Keyboard issue, alternate choices are limited to charge characters. I don’t enjoy any of them as much as the Rogster even though I’ve played all previous SF titles as Guile or their respective Guile replica.
Let’s face it, I can’t expect to become great at a game I play for 2-5hrs a week but I’m pitching the oar into the water and pushing forward, just it seems to slow down so much once I encounter players of a certain skill level. I’ve been playing for months and yet I’m still only half proficient at something as simple as crossup blocking and I can’t stop myself jumping around like a complete tool
Not so much looking for someone to tell me what to do/not to do but more a case of just highlighting things I may be missing. Maybe I’m just a little burned out. You’re right, though, I know everyone hits that brick wall no matter what their skill/learning cap is, maybe I’m just dissapointed that mine seems to be pretty early and at a very mediocre if not worse level.
Anyhow, I’m not here to QQ, I love the game, character I play as and how far I’ve gotten so far, gotten a lot of help from the community, too and you only need to read my previous post about how happy I am thus far, I still rewatch that first fight from time to time and smile even if it’s nothing special in the better players eyes :shy: - You’re no asshole, either :china:
I’m sure I’ll have a second wind but until then I’ll gladly take on any pointers people may have.