Balrog's 'What went wrong' and 'Critique' video thread

Classic Fighting Games Ultra Street Fighter IV
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Hi there everyone well in my city we just had the Central Canada Comic-Con event which our scene held a SF4 tourney at. I have finally broken through to Top 8 for the first time and so I played against our Cammy player which is the 2nd time I’ve played him. It was close and I messed up a lot because of nerves but i lost because I made the wrong decision and got sent to losers played our Bison player won then loss to a Sagat player.

Winner’s Semi = [media=youtube]CzB3hwiyBjE[/media]

Losers Quarter = [media=youtube]LZqV_M_coL0[/media]

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I think you played quite alright. But as you said, you messed up alot, especially on such easy links as jab, jab, short xx HB. I think you managed jab, jab, strong xx DS more then the other one, which is a much harder link to pull off. But I guess its “nerves” as you said. All those missed cannon spikes from the cammy player should’ve been punished accordingly. Work on those nerves and you’ll get the fight money! :slight_smile:

(i’ve only watched the Winner’s Semi)

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As was said in the previous post, lots of dropped combos… although I understand tournament nerves, gets to me too :slight_smile:

Maybe it’s different preference in playstyles, but I prefer to be aggressive as Rog. This doesn’t mean constant rushing down, but just being on the front foot and being proactive and forcing the opponent to react to you rather than the other way around. I have no idea about the Cammy matchup and what tools she has to keep Rog out, but there were numerous times when you kept you just back pedalled and kept your backcharge down and headed towards the corner. You never utilised

Also, you used DSP alot in your combos. You really should be using HB for the knockdown pressure when you hit confirm. Sometimes you can surprise them with DSP to keep them on their toes, but otherwise, it should be predominantly HB to end a combo. I also noticed you were using lp. HB instead of hp. HB? Really should be using hp. HB since lp. HB will sometimes whiff after 3 jabs. You can also do an extra jab (i.e. jab jab jab short HB) to give you more time to get that down charge into HB = guaranteed knockdown.

On the topic of headbutts, a few random ones in there… it’s a bad habit all Rogs need to break.

Finally, practice your punish combos. With Cammy, I know Cannon spike pushes herself back on block, but if you’ve got the charge, a straight hp. HB is a good punish. If they whiff Cannon Spike completely and land close to you, then using cr. mp, hp. HB, or cr. mp, ex RU, cr. jab, cr. short, hp. HB as a punish would be my punish of choice depending on how much health they have. Without charge, I like to use cs. HK, fs. jab, cr. HK. Of course, punish combos are whatever you want, just that you want them to hurt :smiley:

Apologies if this sounds overly negative, but this is what I managed to pick up. Again, I’m not familiar with the matchup at all, so there’s not all that much I can add which is matchup specific. Sounded pretty hype!

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Yah, watching the videos, i noticed you missed the BnB over and over. You would have easily won against that cammy if you got your links down. I know its hard during tourneys, but dont let the pressure get to you. Just play like you always do and dont let your surroundings dictate your actions. And i can hardly ever do the dash punch in the combo, and you were linking those left/right, very solid, but you should always end with the hp headbutt.

In the bison footage, you overused TAP a lot. You dont need it with bison. Oh, and you used EX too much against cammy. Her moves all hit twice, so hardly ever a chance to use EX properly, and the armor breaking d/f dash punch works with or without EX. Keep your EX’s for mixups with the overhead and the low dash punch. Overhead, c.lk, hp headbutt into ultra is magically delicious. Make the mixup a key part of your game and you can really go to town on people with that combo.

Also, while you fought that bison, i noticed that 99% of the time you’d jump in, he would teleport away. In situations where they become that predictable, get a tap or ultra stored to punish as soon as they teleport, depending on distance of course. You can hold all 3 p or k and do the ultra motion and release the button, so if TAP isnt what you want, you can still use that button press for a easy ultra.

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Heres another video of me vs Josh B (Seth) in a local tourney. Any tips on how to improve my game would be great!

Part 1: [media=youtube]AjmyH0ps4J0&feature=sub[/media]

Part 2: [media=youtube]nCPwS_4Tkyw&feature=sub[/media]

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Good job 2nd half. He got too comfy with his setups and you punished him for it. I don’t see much room for critique if I look at the match as a whole.

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Today the ESL SF4 Weekend Cup #2 has finished (for european online SF4 PC players) and I got ass-whooped by a Sagat and Honda… again.

Here’s my losses:

[media=youtube]Nyy_iHb6Ybs[/media]

Ok vs Honda I do understand you need the patience to turtle it up, but at the end my patience ran out. Versus Sagat I just gave up at match start. I’ve been losing to sh1Nd for a long time now and what I’m feeling is hopelessness :confused:

Oh and in the final the Honda player won vs Sagat 2-0 (as has been winning most of the time). I checked a few videos how that Honda plays Sagats and he camps it out at full screen from the Sagat most of the time with smart/lucky jump-ins to deal the main damage ( [media=youtube]6Q_02mPMsM4[/media] ). I’m not sure if I should try playing like Honda, while Boxer and Honda are quite alike.

As for me facing Sagat, well I try to get close to him, no jumping (while the video may not show it). But when I get him at sweep range I am lost, all the pokes I do he either jumps over or does a TK. It’s just impossible to harass him.

What I want from others who will watch that video is tell me what damage openings I missed, what are my biggest mistakes when I gamble to rush in and the like. I know I need to work on teching throws, maximizing damage in combos and just stop jumping. But there must be something I don’t understand about those matchups.

Sorry for the wall of text.

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Oh I wish you had beaten that Honda. He is very annoying, especially online where it is harder to punish jump-ins.

In my opinion, against Sagat you were way too careless and impatient. You have to zone Sagat correctly. Pressure him into the corner and keep him there. Then stay away so his lk tiger knee won’t reach. At this distance you can control his movement pretty well and punish whiffed moves. c.hk and s.hk are great tools for punishing. Also s.lp is very good since it hits him when he is crouching too.

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Besides being more patient and not going for option select throw after he crosses me up… how should I approach this sagat? This guy is the best player where I live.

I ate a ton of tiger shots and messed up a few punishes because I was so nervous.

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There are alot of things you should not have done, but i’ll leave that to the more qualified and more knowledgeable to fill you in on.

As to what you could do.

The Sagat was clearly focus baiting once he realised u were going for those sweeps.

Sweep less

But also when you have **Ultra, **if he focus baits right in front of you [he did this a few times through out your matches] make sure he pays for it by eating your Ultra. [use KKK just to increase the chances of u catching them ].

Otherwise at that distance, if you see the focus bait, dont’ be scared just walk up and throw. Alot o the times he tagged u while u were jumping back, and you ate a hefty TU or double F HK.

That’s really all the advice i’m qualified to give on that matchup [if at all]

Oh i also saw u were doing TAP straight into EX Rush or TAP straight into HEadbutt.

Avoid doing that, especially against Sagat when a blocked head butt could mean the end of a round.

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Wow you play alot like me and use the same color (10) haha. Was almost like matching my own match vs Sagat.

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less tap. More push forward. Use s.LP/s.HK when closer and usually in that order. This sagat using FA a lot so it’s easier to punish that. Use torpedos more (ex ones later game so he can’t punish) Also don’t use ultra mid game like that, save it so you can punish TSs and ultra way better at lvl 3 for rog. He was throwing in TUs in your block/hit strings so once in a while i’d block and let him throw it out so you can get him in a nice ex rush combo.

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Haha me too! Thats the first thing that came to my head. That was one of the reasons I posted the vid. Because we both seem to have hte same problem.

Yea I need to work on my bad habbits. I tend to use a lot of taps because it usually gets me inside and most people dont know how to punish properly. I wish I played this guy more often because he punishes EVERYTHING =(. Too bad I didn’t learn dash ultra until after the tournement. I never thought I would need it untill I faught him.

TAP into headbut or ex rush is a bad habbit. Even though its good to use once in a while… against this guy I get punished hard everytime. Its playing people like him that makes me with I mained sagat right from the start.

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Can I also note that through the whole thing I don’t think I noticed a single backdash - I think that if used right during their attempt to punish failed BStrings or the many times he walked into your fallen Boxer to make you guess as to wether he was going to throw or go for a combo (On your wakeup), a backdash would have pretty much removed quite a bit of that problem unless he decided to go for a TK or TS, which isn’t all too smart at that range, anyhow. On the flipside a whiffed throw or TUP on your wakeup would have been the gateway to a heavenly punish for you.

Not sure if that’s helpful - I’m just a learner, myself, but I do think lack of backdash should be mentioned in some shape or form.

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This is a lengthy one. I feel like I played super scrubby and I’m amazed that I even MADE it this far but eh…what can ya do? Anyway, I’d like you guys to critique my play so I can take some advice and maybe be less of a scrub in the future.

Part 1
[media=youtube]gR8JvqgSl-c[/media]

Part 2
[media=youtube]9rsLtwehHhg[/media]

Part 3
[media=youtube]UnovvC5BYBQ[/media]

Part 4
[media=youtube]OCIZAMWr92g[/media]

Part 5
[media=youtube]opZmd-3P2fE[/media]

Thanks in advance fellas!

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I just started maining Rog not too long ago in attempt to get that fight money.

Here’s a match that I got into with Haunts who mains Sagat. I know he likes to Focus Attack alot and I tried my best to break the armor. I know I did a number of things wrong, like fullscreen dash uppercuts, missing BnB combo’s, etc…

Usually I’m better than this against the common online scrub, but Haunts is a tournament player.

Some help and useful tips would be greatly appreciated. Enjoy.

http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/3987213/highlight/40408

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One thing I see is at 1:39 right after you landed the ultra you stand right in his face and get hit with mashed low kicks. In that situation I feel like you want to be taking a step back and going for low strong xx ex.ru or bait, or throw, or meaty but that turned that round and you lost your momentum and then the round.

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The two main things in those matches that went wrong were:

  1. You were pressured which made you make some mistakes.
  2. When you weren’t being pressured, you were being zoned.

At first you did a pretty good job at breaking haunts’ focus attacks, but at some point you started to fall for it. I know how tempting it is to do a headbutt or c.hk sweep on a FA, but it just doesn’t work :). Throws, lower upper, jabs and dashing away works the best.

I noticed that you didn’t FA absorb any of his tigershots. It is a good way to advance if you’re far away. Also good for getting that ultra gauge. And when you have the ultra, you can punish those fireballs with that.

You definitely should have used more c.HP to punish his jumps. Haunts did jump-in quite a few times and also he did those neutral jumps next to you. You could dash under those and maybe throw if you notice him doing it. Another good normal move against Sagat is the Standing Jab. Since Sagat is so big, it hits also when he is crouching. s.LP alsp stuffs many of his normals and special, so you is to pressure him and force him to make some mistakes.

Of course there are some basic mistakes that we all do at times. Full screen EX-dashes, random headbutts, missed combos and so on. But you probably already are aware of those.

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Thanks for the tips RB. I noticed I didn’t Focus any of those fireballs. Also, I gave him free jump-ins for days. I’ve Seen Meada Taison stuff Sagats normal with his s.lp many times, which I could have done more of. I played Haunts a few times since he’s on my friends list, but the nerves kicked in knowing that I was on the stream and people were watching live.

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@black_vegeta:

A few more tips:

1.Just restating what RB said: Rog’s fs lp is indispensable against Sagat. It stuffs out most of his normals, has good frame data (speed, frame advantage), has long reach, and Sagat can’t duck under it. Use it to safely break his FA (just walk in and jab him twice), apply pressure, set up frame traps, etc.

  1. Avoid using forward jumps to get past fireballs. Sagat’s AA range is pretty long, so jumping forward is usually a bad idea. He can catch you from past half screen if you’re not careful (tiger knee, 2x f+hk). For the first half of each round I’d advise against using forward jumps at all (unless your opponent is mindlessly spamming tiger shots and you see an opening for a punish) so you can condition him to not expect a jump forward later in the match when you might need it.

  2. Don’t fierce headbutt through tiger shots unless you’re trying to hit Sagat with it. There are other ways of getting through fireballs that aren’t as risky. If you want to use headbutt to go through tiger shots, use a jab headbutt.

  3. Don’t overuse dash punches for poking or blowing through tiger shots. The “should I FA this dash punch or not” guessing game isn’t in your favor. Sagat can afford to have his FA broken several times, but it only takes 1 FA’d dash straight/upper to land the tiger destruction that could lose you the match. Also, if you’re going to use ex dash punches to blow through a tiger shot, make sure you’re close enough that Sagat won’t have enough time to punish you on reaction.

  4. Get within range of Rog’s normals. Sagat’s normals all suck speed and priority wise, so you should be doing your best to stay in normal range. Once you get in you can start applying pressure with Rog’s normals (fs. jab, cough cough). Anyway, I say this because several times in the video you managed to score a knockdown but then walked back to past half screen range where you can’t do anything but dash punch or headbutt.

  5. I noticed that you jumped in several times on Sagat’s wake up. If you’re going to do this, try to time the jump better. As I saw in the video you did a sweep, but waited way too long before jumping in. What you want to do is either go for a safe jump (timing can prove tricking against Sagat’s 5 frame TU), or jump such that if you stick out an air attack, you’ll hit him if he doesn’t reversal or back dash, but if you don’t attack you’ll land in time to block his reversal.

Hope that helps. Good luck!