Balrog (Boxer) Combos

Classic Fighting Games Ultra Street Fighter IV
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Okay, I may be totally off base here, but I “think” i have the concept right.

two examples: cl.hp xx red focus hits and crumples, but cl.mk xx red focus does not

If you cancel cl.hp into red focus on the first frame, balrog has 4A+16R+2H so ~22f to act before the opponent comes out of hitstun, so if you red focus, it has 21f of startup and it will connect if in range. While in contrast, if you cancel cl.mk into red focus on the first frame, balrog has 3A+13R+0H so ~16f to act beore the opponent comes out of hitstun, so if you red focus the startup is greater than the opponents hitstun, so they can block.

We’re talking about the same thing right?

I was playing with the delayed cancel concept you put up on your utub. It’s specific to the combo right? e.g. you can’t do it with walk up cr.lp, cr.lp, cr.mp because the duration of the string isn’t long enough to get the charge? Kinda like comboing into smash after the keno special uses the extra travel time of the ex.ru at max distance to add enough charge time to be able to cancel into a dash punch off of one hit?

It seems like valid delay cancel starters would be:
(1) cl.mp, cr.lp, cr.mp
(2) cr.lp, cl.hk, cr.mp
(3) cl.hk, st/cr.lp, cr.mp

Although cl.mp is easily the best because of force stand and seems to work on significanly more of the cast than those with cl.hk

Also cr.mk, cr.lp, cr.mp seems to be a self-charging combo (like cr.lp, cl.mp, cr.lp, cr.mp)
[For those trying to see the difference doing one of the above delay cancel strings without any charge and attempt to cancel into lp.oh; with its reduced startup, it should be significantly easier versus doing any of the other dash punches.]

1102

Found a pretty simple RFC combo, j.RH, s.RH xx RFC(charge tap, let go of kick) , Dash , TAP1, Ultra. 509 Damage. I got bored.
Side note you can start with Tap instead of a jump in. Does like 50 less damage.

Here’s one for stun. j.RH, s.RH xx RFC Dash, s.RH, c.lk, ex.Upper, c.jab, c.short xx headbutt, ultra. does 481 damage but nets like 740 stun or something. Mind you it costs 4 bars lol.

1103

I played around with your idea. First of all cl.st.HP does more damage than s.RH and can be RFC.

I did EX Overhead > RFC level 2 > charge TAP > dash forward > release tap > U1 for 500 damage with full Ultra stock.

Off a jump RH I would do cl.st.hp > rfc > tap > ultra.

Also off a lvl 2 crumple (the PR Rog tech) you can get dash forward cl.st.hp > rfc > tap > u1
I’m just not sure if any of these are worth it or not.

1104

Nevermind the overhead combo because HP overhead into CR.MP > HP.dash straight > super does more at 508 damage.

1105

Can anyone tell me his current bnb’s for ultra?

1106

Same ones they’ve been since Vanilla

1107

Been doing some labwork with RFC combos.

Looks like Rog doesn’t get too many practical ways to combo into RFA1. Most options require you to be quite close.

cs HP xx RFA1 : must be done point blank.
cr. HP xx RFA1: again, needs to be point blank for this to work. The RFA1 whiffs otherwise.
MP dash straight xx RFA1: seems to be the most practical way of comboing into an RFA1 since it’s easier to combo into in a match. It also gives you an opportunity to hit confirm.

at first I thought it might be a good idea to tack it on after a shimmy, but it looks like mp dash straight sometimes doesn’t combo when canceled into from that range.

1108

Yeah it’s pretty situational, that you’re usually better off saving the meter. When using it after the shimmy, you’re kinda praying the shimmy hits, otherwise you’ve got a whiffed focus attack.

1109

RFA cancel is amazing for rog imo for two reasons…mp dash cancel and lp overhead confirm. Both actually are can be confirmed on reaction but take effort.

Not many notice(at least im guessing) pr rog confirms cr mp into a cancel. The window to cancel that normal into something is pretty big, yet still takes training. Training mode mixed with an equal amount of time applying that to a human being(even online provided you are in green lag) will teach u this.

The mp dash straight is also amazing for shimmy antics with cr lk cancel into mp dash, confirm with RFA level one crumple into juice beats combo of your choice and the same with cr mp canceled into mp dash.

LP overhead being safe on block vs most things can also be confirmed in the same manner as the mp cancel I just spoke of. Apply the reactions/muscle memory in the exact same manner as the cr mp cancel as well.

imo the RFA cancel is just as useful for rog as it is for yun.

1110

What I mean is, I’ve had cr. mp xx mp dash straight not combo. As in, I hit with the cr. mp and mp dash straight gets blocked.

I don’t think PR Rog hit confirms the shimmy cr. mp. I think he just whiffs it in his opponent’s face and buffers lp dash straight so that it counter hits if the opponent presses any buttons, but doesn’t cancel otherwise. I could be wrong though.

Anyway my reflexes aren’t fast enough to hit confirm a cancel off a single hit. Until I actually get fast enough to do that I’m going to have to rely on whiff OS for my shimmys. :stuck_out_tongue:

Personally I think Yun gets a lot more mileage than Rog does with RFA. Yun cancels into RFA off lp shoulder ram, which is safe on block and is easy to combo into. A lot of Yun’s pressure options lead into RFA and are easily hit confirmable: dive kick, command grab, Pressure strings, random cr. mk, etc. Meanwhile Rog needs back charge and has to get in real close, which usually requires a knockdown to setup.

Anyway, lp dash overhead hit confirm definitely sounds like something worth practicing. Will have to try it out in the lab next time. Thanks Diclawsus! :slight_smile:

1111

Well how many times did you manage to red focus combo against Chris G just now on stream? And what’s with the multiple accounts? I remember you rejoining PR Balrog’s lobby under another account after he got tired of playing you like 20 times in a row.

In my opinion, Red Focus isn’t terrible practical or safe for Balrog from what I’ve seen. The risk/reward, damage and the meter usage isn’t justified.

1112

Who is this addressed to btw? :confused:

1113

Red focus is iffy, if Balrog has a better focus attack i’d be more interested. cr.mp xx mp.ds seems to hit on the majority of the cast (in training mode), i’m sure there are some situations where this isn’t the case. RFC combos don’t work on poison. Balrog’s damage off of red focus combos are meh, the limit with practical staters is ~480. And the difference in using TAP, U1 or U1 or cl.hk, cr.mp xx hp.ds is about 50 points. The ONLY starter which is combo video practical that does incredible damage was the link off of cl.hp that Jav1ts/Xaaz found in Vanilla.

e.g. (crouching shotos, crouching guy)
j.hp/j.hk, cl.hp, cr.lp xx mp.ds xx RF xx TAP, Ultra
j.hp/j.hk, cl.hp, cr.lp xx mp.ds xx RF xx cl.hk, cr.mp xx ex.ru, cr.lp, cr.mp xx hp.ds

Those get you between 500 and 550, but otherwise damage off of red focus is grossly limited because of the scaling afterwards. aside from the aforementioned combos, the same damage can be had for significantly less meter.

1114

Probably me…he seems to have a hard on for hate on me. Whoever your hate is for you have HUGE issues as a person, especially if u believe that losing to acclaimed professional players whom travel around the globe is somehow an insult to any individual that does not do the same. Do tell us of your success and how awesome you are sir? My guess is you’re not…so shut you mouth and be productive instead of being a king kong asshat whos opinion is completely irrelevant.

And a side note…i wish I could be a fly on the wall when somebody punches you out for having such a big mouth for no reason. It will happen

1115

Didn’t answer any of my questions and didn’t justify any of the statements you previously made with regards to practicality of red focus combos. Instead you turn on the tough boy internet insults, which is fine. Let your son be proud.

Back on topic, if you don’t practice what you preach, why make the statement? I really dislike bold, unsubstantiated statements that other people may believe without questioning - in other parts of life they cost people time and money etc. That was the reasoning behind those questions.

1116

def tough guy…do tell how i was a tough guy?

1117

And also how is playing an individual with yellow bar a source of discrediting my statement? And me playing somebody on their stream before ultra was even out? And multiple accounts? Do you think before you speak or are you always this full of double standards and general ignorance?

1118

More lab work:

It seems Rog has some 100% stun resets using red focus and ultra 2, though I’m pretty sure he can do something similar with level 2 focus cancel after his OH on some cast members.

Examples that do over 1000 stun:

J. Hk, cr. Mp xx hp overhead xx RF1, ultra 2. 1000ish.

FA2 crumple, cs rh, cr mp, xx mp/hp overhead xx RF1, ultra 2.

Not sure how useful this would be in an actual match, but if you’re down on HP and manage to get a reset you could probably take out 3/4 of your opponent’s healthbar.

Edit:

More ideas that might work in a match:

950 stun: cr. Lp, cr. Lp, cr. Lk xx hp headbutt, (ambiguous cross up) cr. Lp, (hit confirm) cs HP xx rf1, u2

1119

I don’t want to overshadow rainscape’s stun findings, but with every reply you keep digging a bigger hole for yourself that you’ve pretty much dug your own grave.

First of all, Chris G’s stream was 2 days ago, whereas PR Balrog’s was a few months ago. If either of them were yellow bar or laggy, then why did you REPEATEDLY rejoin over and over and over again? I’m sure Chris or Ed don’t want to play in yellow bar either and probably would have kicked you if you were, like they did to other people. I could probably delve into the archives to remind you, if you can’t remember. Whether you want to acknowledge you rejoining Eduardo’s lobby under another account after like 20 games or something, is on you. In no way, shape or form can you refute any of this without looking mildly retarded.

Look I’ve got nothing against you. I’m sure you’re a nice guy in real life and I sincerely hope you manage to break into FGC Hollywood if that is your dream.

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There are also some instant overhead resets that extend the margin of error, minimal scaling and can be setup anywhere. For example against Sagat, j.hk, cl.hk, cr.mp xx ex.ru, cr.lp, cr.mp xx mp.ds, bwd throw, fwd.dash (cr.lp for DWU), j.hk, slight delayed nj.hp will stun/instant overhead with a safe jump. This is 1000 stun reset on the cast. You could also do something like j.hk, cl.hk, cr.mp xx ex.ru, cr.lp, cr.mp xx ex.ru, cr.lp, st.lp, cr.hk, cr.lp, j.hk (delayed wakeup setup has to be eye balled IMO), nj.hp. That’s good for like 900/950 stun i believe. These setups obv work on Hugo and Elena I believe. jump back jab works on most of the cast, but only does a wee bit of stun.

instant air nj.hp is hella punishable on hit/block.

The main thing i don’t like about red focus is that it scales so hard and even if you get the stun, you’ve maybe got one bar to do some damage with, and you’ve most likely given them all the meter in the world. :[