Ask Kim1234 about random Bison sh*t!

[The_Theorical]

I actually haven?t played in a while, so I don?t know what the answer is in Super. But after a blocked scissor kick, I think you can still hold up back and avoid the low forward follow up. None of those ill tactics are safe to mash uppercut.

What is safe against a mashed uppercut? Chains, well timed dive kicks, invencible moves.

Really, that doesn’t count

And if they jump back: you’re safe. If they neutral jump, they’re too far away to hit ya. I believe Dhalsim might catch you with an instant overhead though. Not sure on that one.

Still, the only thing that pisses me off is that the matchup vs Chun and Guile simply got MUCH worse. The only advantage dic had, scissors pressure, got nerfed. What did they do to Chun? Oh, there ya go, your c.HK does less stun. Yes, because clearly, her pokes aren’t retarded.

I specially hate when people whine about Dic’s s.HK and forget about Chun’s broken pokes.
LEARN TO CROUCH/FOCUS MOTHERFUCKERS.

[NDRWPNDY]

Kim, do you have any good setups against Cammy?

[mikehascookies]

Kim, do you have any good setups against Cammy?

While the question was for Kim, I have a couple:

-After a throw, a well timed jump rh is super ambiguous on her, and is a safe jump against her DP. Take like, 1 and a half steps forward and then jump. On block, you can safely cr jab without being reversaled, allowing you to do a safe string into scissors.

-If you land a slide from close to max range, and instant headstomp is also safe against her DP. It will whiff if she tries, allowing you to slide and do it again. (props to andyocr for this one)

[NDRWPNDY]

Thank you, Mike! I’ve got a couple myself:

1. After c.jab, close s.jab, s.short, c.forward xx LIGHT SK, you can do an immediate j.rh for a safejump. You do sacrifice damage here, so that’s something to consider.

2. After c.jab, close s.jab, s.short, c.forward xx MEDIUM PC, wind up a level 2 focus. If Cammy DP’s, it’ll whiff. If she doesn’t DP, you can release focus, dash in, and pressure.

[ohayo1234]

I have no setups because
Bison is above standard!
In terms
Of a character’s strength.
He’s more dependent…
On players’ skills
Due to the adjustments.

[The_Beautiful_One]

I don’t like to air my thoughts about what other people feel or opinion but I think some Bison players are generally too complainsive and dont accept the character even to this day. I never had a problem with Dictator since vanilla and only that I wanted for him was an ultra to punish fb’s in the next one which they did.
Since the dynamics of dictator changed in the ultra department more dash fwrd, focus dash fwrd Ultra will have to be implemented against shotos and plasma characters that like to follow up with more fb’s at mid screen close range. U1 is better fitted for this as it will cut that option
Here are some positives about the character.

Dictators stengths:
-One of the best hard hitting pokes in the game (ST RH)
-Fast frame crouching short
-crouching fierce aa (situational)
-st rh aa (situational)
-escape options: even if he is an option select dummy at this point we should know when to escape with or block! Block then determine a safe escape based on the situation! Block, walk out of block string, look for the pursue and react to it!
-Good air to air (Hell attack, jump straight up fwrd
-st strong punishes stuff like kens whiffed fwrd, fwrd (you can super on hit confirm)
-st. fwrd is gdlike
-walk speed is gdlike (almost like chuns)
-very agile
-close st fierce stuffs crouch techs when setup
-focus attack decent
-Is better at close combat (rushdown) than most characters
-I meter puts the fear of throwing fb’s against him (ex scissor)
-ex psycho escapes, ex psycho fadc safe (3 meters)
-Jump fierce after knockdown very good (crosses up at times on fat and tall characters)
-good crossup (back throw setups makes this more ambiguous)
-back throw sets up for ambiguous crossups situations in general
-crouching roundhouse is good as a footsie at times. For example at a certain range cr RH Trades with a Ryu fb at the right spacing

These are some of his strengths! Someone can post all his weaknesses. I know what they are but weaknesses of character can be overcome by its player depending on what the weakness is.

One more thing is that some would like for Dictator to have an overhead but that goes against the rule of the character. On top of that he cant have ALL of that and then a overhead…its the universal balance of things. A character cannot have EVERYTHING but cover himself well in the department of MOST things.

Overall Bison is very good and i dont see why anyone would complain about him overall but thats me. Matchups will always be for and against you and is something you have to overcome. Dictator is alot more of a thinking character and is not mindless rushdown like some ppl may believe.

Here is the history of Bison from past games. Versus series not included.
Street Fighter 2
CE -A Tier type character very tough but no reversal

Hyper Fighting- Toned down but still good (ps and scissors were toned down) better arch on demon stomp. No reversal
Super-Good! Obtained Devil reversal and hell attack. no reversal
Super Turbo_ Very good. Trajectory of dr changed (more aerial) Super can be used as a reversal now

Alpha 1- S-Tier. CHEAP. DR is too fast and comes down too fast as the same for headpress. Startup time on supers were fast and freezes the screen so you cant flinch. 0 recovery on block

Alpha 2- Toned down. All his moves are slower and is much more FAIR.
Alpha 3-C Tier type character. Not as good as he was in previous alphas. Good priority though

CVS1- Not great but good. Has a new 2 hit move. Standing fierce was now a aa. Was a ratio 3 so he dished out good damage
cvs2- A- Tier. Custom takes alot of damage. RC Psycho crusher for escape. Builds meter quickly for a custom (usually by running away, dr and whiffs)

cfj- Good fast attacks and alot of plus frames on his normals. Represented a ST character so he dealth damage.
HDR- Dont know too much about him but to my knowledge he got buffs in his normals from ST. Like you can do standing jab and it will aa sometimes. Thats all I know

Hyper Alpha- Depends on your skill. Good on marvel mode (Shin Bison) can push block and has chains on darkstalker mode. He is a character that is reflected upon the player skill level.

People have always jumped in on bison at ranges where he cant anti-air. Thats every game. However when he gets a custom, Super, ultra etc. they dont jump anymore and that dictates the pace of the match.

The length of your list, compiled, I guess, as some sort of overwhelming laundry list of evidence that Bison is in fact awesome doesn’t prove a whole bunch. Naming these things off in a vaccuum doesn’t mean much if other characters’ total assets nullify entries on your list or are in sum greater than Bison’s. It’s not the size of the list that matters, it’s not that simple. It’s how well these things integrate with one another, how often these show up as real plusses in a given match, and how these things factor against the strengths of other characters. An extremely basic and straighforward character like Rog or Guile proves problematic for Bison, but would they have so lengthy a list of assets?

Also, you mention that good bison players just have to compensate for their weaknesses. Well of course. The real question is, how often, how much, and how difficult are these concessions when you’re playing against another character who isn’t placing the same demands on your opponent.

[Blaze1]

Jenna is jealous of your DIC skillz

[free1up]

I have no setups because
Bison is above standard!
In terms
Of a character’s strength.
He’s more dependent…
On players’ skills
Due to the adjustments.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA It seems that the only people that know anything about Bison is the ones who mained him since vanilla. Not even capcom knows how to adjust him lol.

[Valaris]

KIm now that you played him, any thoughts on how useful/less his U2 is now?

[ohayo1234]

Bison is good in AE! I cant tell just yet to be completely honest. But U2 change might be a bit better then we all thought

its a charge motion but it does lots more damage, like a lot more. Its worth it if you land it. before in super, even if i landed it, it did no damage.

His scissor kick pushback isnt that bad, but its noticable, i havent tested anything out yet but i think u can still no another low short, scissor kick if your upclose.

i gotta crash, but just wanted to let you guys know that

[stabicron]

Bison is good in AE! I cant tell just yet to be completely honest. But U2 change might be a bit better then we all thought

its a charge motion but it does lots more damage, like a lot more. Its worth it if you land it. before in super, even if i landed it, it did no damage.

His scissor kick pushback isnt that bad, but its noticable, i havent tested anything out yet but i think u can still no another low short, scissor kick if your upclose.

i gotta crash, but just wanted to let you guys know that

More concerned with the st.hk nerf than anything. If you get the chance I would love to know if it seems like they made the move more reliable for AA purposes as a tradeoff for the damage hit.

[Azza]

Kim you played any Yun or Yang’s and if so whats your first impressions of the match up?

[m16ghost]

its a charge motion but it does lots more damage, like a lot more. Its worth it if you land it. before in super, even if i landed it, it did no damage.

What did you punish with U2? Before you had to buffer the motion (or at least, I did) in order to punish Ryu’s fireballs.

[SUPARNOVAX]

Bison is good in AE! I cant tell just yet to be completely honest. But U2 change might be a bit better then we all thought

its a charge motion but it does lots more damage, like a lot more. Its worth it if you land it. before in super, even if i landed it, it did no damage.

His scissor kick pushback isnt that bad, but its noticable, i havent tested anything out yet but i think u can still no another low short, scissor kick if your upclose.

i gotta crash, but just wanted to let you guys know that

Good! I didn’t think a charge ultra 2 was bad either. I think it’s easier and quicker to flick a b,f,b,f + PPP rather than qcf,qcf+KKK

Is the first hit of his Ultra where they buffed the damage or the last two hits?

[Fr0st_Blade]

But U2 change might be a bit better then we all thought

its a charge motion but it does lots more damage, like a lot more. Its worth it if you land it. before in super, even if i landed it, it did no damage.

Does it seem any faster?

[Shun_Gokuu_Satsu]

Bison is good in AE!

Of course he’s good. He almost didn’t change. His new pushback thing on lk scissors is kind of a buff, way easier to put people on the corner.

Charge command ultra is also good, you don’t need to buffer around to punish fireballs etc., also you don’t lose your charge. (without buffering it was almost impossible to punish things on reaction.)

Super buff is great against guile, chun, deejay. mark my words.

the only technical nerf was cr. lk hurtbox getting bigger. it’s still 3 frames. lol

[Devils_Reverse]

I’ll keep it simple. What’s the motion for it? :l::r::l::r::3p: ???

[SUPARNOVAX]

Yeah, I thought about the command change was probably better than giving up charge to prebuffer QCF’s to ultra like it is now. But it only took away a few wake up 50/50 shenanigans.

Bison players will have to be a lot more smooth and consistent now.

[m16ghost]

I’ll keep it simple. What’s the motion for it? :l::r::l::r::3p: ???

Yeah, that’s the correct motion

I look forward to videos of random teleports behind people

[Ozpa]

I look forward to videos of random teleports behind people

Hahahahaha exactly my thought