Amen. This post is a summary of the old Dictator request thread. I love it.
i think the reason why capcom made bison’s damage low is because lk scissor kick is an nonpunishable (on block) pressure move. also, his c.lkx3xxscissor combo start off of a pretty decent ranged 3 frame low normal and combos from crouch tech, so its crap damage is made up in utility, since it can punish things with relatively quick recovery, can combo from crouch teching, and scores a knockdown. so because of that, i think it’s ok, but even in a wide open punish situation tho, bison doesn’t really do that damage (unless you ultra, which is too slow or you dont have charge alot of the time) which sucks really bad. wish that should be changed.
this is especially bad because he has no easily landable ultra to comeback… so i guess to make up for his crappy comeback potential you only can play safe, like what kim just said. the bane of bison then indeed is the revenge meter because all it takes is one wrong guess and you are at equal life with them from a combo into ultra, or worse. i tried to deal with this by thinking about all times that you have the possibility to get comboed into an ultra and avoiding those situations whenever possible, but by necessity, you have to expose yourself to these situations at times to get ahead in the match, and if you never take those risks, you will lose momentum and die… lol. i guess that’s just where the player skill comes in (being able to play better rock paper scissors mindgames) and you gotta anticipate your opponent well… ah but of course… then ->
kim’s statement about scrubs and pros explains bison’s predicament lol
Except 3 low shorts into scissors Doesnt work on every character.
It would be interesting if they increased the stun on his scissor kicks in AE
If I were to create a Tokido like pose for bison , I can’t think of anything other then acting out the abortion ultra. But yeah that’s not cool at all
Shit like that though makes the community more unique to the public
I definitely encourage abortion
I just thought about it. Daigo has a sweet deal.
He gets to travel the world having high stakes money matches with players who will not have enough time to figure him out.
He can play one way Vs anybody that doesn’t play him on a daily basis
Sign me up
I just wanted to say I agree with pretty much everything that has been said in this page. Especially the thoughts of Kim/Andre on Bison as a character.
I have tried to explain this to my fellow players/community about Bison every single time when I’ll put in a lot of hard work to win a match followed by them telling me he’s a top tier character or he’s CHEAP but because I’m not a known player they just think I’m tallking bull.
People don’t realise how Bison players have to be so clever when planning their offence. I know our character isn’t ass like low tier ass but all this talk about him being the best character in the game (or top 2) is drawn up from people who probably don’t know the ins and outs of Bison (like the thoughts which have been put on this page). I mean did any Bison PRO have a say on his match-ups or the breakdown of how matches go in the IPW tier list for example? It looks like he’s top up their because the players who draw up these lists find him more annoying than anything else. Just seems like some match-ups in these lists justify how little general players know about Bison as a character and the work that goes into winning with him.
I’ve always had difficulties putting my thoughts into words but all that has been said here pretty much sums it up.
Hay guys im back and i got more venting to do!!!
Well first i must say Thanks for insight Kim and others.
So You might say short times 3 into sk takes shitty dmg because its a 3 framer fine fine im cool with that, oh shit !! look who it is its my friend Balrog. chun-li what are you guys doing today oh where mashing on our 3 frame limbs and taking more then 119!!! Goodshit hay how you doing Sim oh nothing just mashing on back short here oh did i mention it takes 40 on hit and its plus 2 on hit meaning if you try to swing again hmmmmm 40 + 40 + 40 hmmm i see alot of players get hit by back short more then once 120 ehhh!! w/e moving on. Ahhhh yes the age old question !! and my favorite, hay how come you say bisons cheap well yeah say it man, keep it 100, well he,s annoying… PAUSE!!! WTF your trying to validate to me that a character is fucking cheap!!! because you feel hes annoying, well whoop dee fucking do to bad the reality doesnt set in on the life bar!!!(when abel fucking fwd kicks your shit and you lose 357 or 200 dmg from sitting there and eating the command grab) when people mash DP on Abel i can see why rufus i can see why feurte i can see why Bison your normally just mash because you have poor mental patience! sk does 13dmg first kick on block and 7 chip on the scond hit and dont forget you have to charge and 90 dmg on hit , sagats tiger shots do 60!!! and highs do 65 and some like 12-15 chip ARGGHHHHHH!!!
But fine sk is safe (0) eh ! hmmmm well what do we have here most frame data seems to be composed based on the move hitting on the first active frame so low fwd thunder knuckle is -2 right yes ONLY DEEP!!! most vipers!!! do max range low fwd T.knuckle and if you swing her crouching strong will counter hit your shit!!! meaning that the original string resulted in either her being plus or neutral, and neutral i highly fucking doubt she is, so shit even if you fuck up don’t we don’t have any 2 frame moves in the game cept chuns super and stomp. (this is draining)
Oh yeah here we go … what happen to his anti airs, and over head hmmm lets run it… cool so 1. people say bison would be cheap if he had perfect anti airs… ROFLMAO i mean damn Jesus must have died for the stupidity of mankind lets see here sonic boom oh you jumped? sakuras cr. fierce hmm chuns d. fwd lk the lists goes on and the best thing about it is most of these characters force you to jump and then have perfect anti air, im tired i sleep now… Anyway kim whats your thoughts on this one here now?
After playing with Dan and Hakan, it seem that bison is in their league and not as top teir as people think.
Andre, I know you’re awesome…
But your paragraph game is low tier. So is the punctuation and whatnot. But I guess writing is not your forte.
Raping Daigo maybe.
And just to keep it on-topic:
Dic has shit damage in the combo department when you compare him to someone like Ryu. Comparing him to a shit tier like Viper is pointless. Elf has a ridiculously high damage ultra, and that doesn’t make him any good.
Dic is good because he has brutal air time (and not the slow kind), he walks on rollerskates, his poking game is awesomepants, and he can dish out amazing pressure.
To compensate for those traits, he has:
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[]Shit range FA
[]Shitty Ultra Setups (where the only one that actually lands often, does horrible damage, and the other one turns into a teleport 90% of the time… even Kuma and TUC miss it… it’s saddening)
[]Shitty range teleport (easily punishable on wakeup)
[]Starts pissing blood as soon as someone who knows how to OS, starts with the okizeme.
[]Shitty damage from combos
[]Has to get in to dish out any damage
[*]Every top tier rapes him (making him ANYTHING but a top tier… he’s high-mid)
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Well writing is my shit, but its not something i study so i don’t think i would be any good at it sorry. I was an English major in college but meh! as you can see i been demoted to playing with this fucking character.
Did you just say he had an awesome air game, surely im reading this wrong. Vipers shit tier ? Fuerte ultra does shit for him ( I know you write well but you have a couple of Typos Ummm especially where it says viper is shit tier)
Lol Yeah fucking Low kick Dan kicks leave him at plus and then he gets a mix up low fwd fireball grab or dp. so stupid. (plus that kick breaks focus)
Headstomp/U1 ending/U2 chip pose, duhhhh. thatd be hype.
i think at this point, making any pose during the tournament will just be seen as copying tokido :(. unless it really blow his out of the water
Dont think anything could do that, lol. But I always flash a thumbs up and a smile after I win ;D
By the way , I think fuerte played at his highest level is better and much more fun for the player. Same goes to viper in comparison to the Big DIC
Scissor kick start up is pretty much open to getting hit by any normal at start up. Knowing this, players often mix up back dash, jump back , or mash on match up specfic normal, oh DP too. Lots of options for such a renown scissor kick trap eh?*
Abel sucks
According to FlashMetroid. I don’t play her, and I never bothered studying her, so I can’t say for sure. But I’ve had the same argument about CVP and ELF’s randomness dependency in another thread. CVP’s better than ELF, of course. She has more tools. But overall, she sucks.
Uryo just blends great execution and solid play, with awesome yomi. He’s a fucking gypsy farseer.
I didn’t say Dic has a good air game. He’s beaten by oh-so-many characters in the air. He has good AIR TIME. Meaning: he has good air control. Either by DR (allowing him to bait shit, or just plain dodge some fireballs while getting a wee bit of ex bar), or just fast travelling speed from his normal jump forward (it’s very easy to punish fireballs with Dic, the way I see it). Note: he has long air time… but he travels fast in the air. He covers more distance. Even a character like Gouken lands faster than Dic, but Dic covers more ground.
Viper is not even close to shit tier, not even. It’s one thing to argue that she’s random and won’t consistently win tournaments, but to argue she’s shit? No.
lolwhut?
Not with jump ins, that’s for sure. Dictator has one of the easiest jumps to anti-air in the entire game. If you can consistently jump in over shoto fireballs and punish them, either you’re playing people who throw very obvious fireballs, or you’re psychic.
Dictator has plenty of ways to deal with fireballs. Jumping is not one of them.
I?m not sure who ur playing against or what videos ur watching where dic punishes fireballs easily by jumping over them. Also at high level play using DR (depending on what char ur facing) will get u killed. Bison?s jump stays in the air too long, ur opponent has a year to react to it and he can?t alter his angle once he’s committed to it while char’s like c.viper, shotos (tatsu), rufus can change trajectory if need be.
I have to start choosing my words carefully. She’s shit compared to solid characters, simply because she’s not solid enough. Just comparing her to the top 4 (Dic and Honda aren’t even there, the way I see it… Ryu is, so is Akuma), she loses in terms of basic tools. Blanka’s more solid than Viper. That oughta be a good enough example. And I’m not even looking at the tier list.
I don’t consider any character to be absolute shit. Even dan has something. Hakan has great normals.
I’m talking relative to the top. Just comparing Viper to the top, she’s awful. And stop closing your eyes and thinking about Uryo. Uryo doesn’t count. He could place high with any low tier. Uryo’s godly, not viper.
Dictator has 4 more frames in the air than Ryu. The difference itself ain’t gigantic. Dic has less air time than chun or t.hawk.
Dic has about the same airtime as Ibuki’s normal jump. It’s not like she’s punished all the time. Everyone in the game is punished by shoryukens when jumping over fireballs if they do it incorrectly.
Dic has always had a good air travelling speed, whether using DR, or a normal jump. DR is only punished if you use it in the most obvious of ways… Spamming it will get you killed. Using it sparingly and well timed will never get you punished. Never. Just using it from fullscreen when you see a fireball, with OBVIOUSLY no followup, will get you close to your opponent, with a safe landing.
Headstomp works horribly vs guile because he can start walking right after an SB.
But it works wonders vs Akuma Ryu and Ken. And that’s Headstomp, I’m not even talking about DR. I can land headstomps from fullscreen away. And you can’t spam those. If you miss one, you’re punished, whether the guy is a scrub or not. I land them because I’m used to playing Dic like I’m playing ST. You’re fullscreen, you predict a fireball (he doesn’t need to be spamming them… just one is enough), and you land on his head.
If I want to play it safe, I can use an Empty DR. You’ll never get punished from fullscreen unless you don’t know what you’re doing.
I’ve used DR, while my opponent (typically a Gen, or Ryu), pop a super/ultra to punish me on landing.
1- If they use it too soon, they can’t punish you. They’d have to use it almost like an anti-air. They never do, because they can’t distinguish whether you did a headstomp or a DR. They only pop the super/ultra when you use a followup.
2- If they do it after you use the followup, you can EASILY control where you’re going to land. Easily. If you get too close to them, and they SRK you, you did it too early, or they were never going to use a super/ultra anyway. If you get too far, they’ll try to punish you from long range with the super/ultra (which will hit you on your recovery frames). Thing is: they have to guess. If they do it just a little bit too early, they spend bar, and are punished for it. The only character that can fuck you up for using DR is probably Guile. He throws a jab boom and walks forward. You land on the boom, or you land on him and get punished by normals.
Shotos can’t alter their angle in the air after using a tatsu. Neither can Rufus after using a Dive Kick. Neither can CVP after using a flamekick. The keyword here is AFTER. They alter their angles WHEN using those moves. They can’t alter it AFTER.
You can alter your angle AFTER using DR. And you don’t stay in the air for centuries. CVP does. She can’t bait srks with flamekicks. She’d get punished for it anyway. No one’s going to pop a srk from 2 sweeps away.
Also, about DR: learn how to use all punch strengths. Different DR strengths: different properties. None of which you’ll see on the wiki. I see Dics getting punished with SRKs for using Fierce DR all the time. That shit sucks.
And one more thing: short Headstomp from fullscreen. Risky bait, but it’s hilarious when it works. I’ve landed an ultra 1 after baiting a srk like that. It’s one of those things you can do one time out of a hundred.
Just learn them yourself.
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^^ like i said bison can’t alter his JUMP (not Devils reverse) like other chars when he makes a bad read or to put him in a better position, once u jump with bison plus the direction u press its “set in stone” where u gonna land. Using a HS/DR (guessing game) even if sparingly will only get u so far…it may get u in (or hit) once or twice, but its not a solid offensive option for him.