I dont get what people mean by making it easier
lol you learn from experience for some things
if your sweep missed in a certain way…then you know next time not to do it
and to the above
trial and error is not a bad thing
so your sweep missed
or you now know that haken cant cross up with jfmk
it should take once to learn cause in the midst of learning that its not like there were serious repercussions for not learning it
you didnt lose evo lol
you didnt get sent to losers
you didnt know, now you know
developers already do this stuff that xes is talking about
showing visual cues, training mode hints and all that stuff and tutorials
by that time you should have enough interest in the game
to go
onto google or you tube
and learn more
hell you have dedicated players like rip who take time out their day to give you tutorials
Honestly, this thread is giving me a headache. It’s hilarious how some players demand to lower the execution requirements of fighters because they want to concentrate more on the strategy aspect of the game. Really? Do you really think someone who doesn’t even bother to spend a few minutes in training mode to improve their execution will actually take time to analyze their matches and developt a better tactic against their opponent? I doubt it.
Besides, if that person claims that their execution is lacking because they have a “life” and can’t spend time in training mode, they have no right to complain when they get bodied by more experienced players. Most fighters these days not only come with an excellent training mode but tutorials as well. Furthermore, let’s not forget about the huge amount of information on the net. If they are too lazy to put up the effort to improve nothing more can be done.
BTW if you have a friend who can’t tell the difference between blocking high and low in a 2D fighting game I suggest you to take him to a doctor. You never know when he is going to try crossing the street in a red light instead of green.
Casuals mostly don’t complain about not being able to win. They complain about not being able to play. I think it’s important to not conflate the two.
The topic is “Are fighting games too hard to play for the average casual player?”
I think everyone in the thread agrees it would be bad to let any dudebro pop UMVC3 in the xbox and body ChrisG, but this isn’t about that. This is more about just backdashing properly in TTT2 without having to watch Aris’s tutorial and practice for hours. Just playing, not winning.
I offer an example of what I mean:
I’m a casual Starcraft player and I almost never beat experienced players, but I have no real complaints. I am creating the same units they’re making, doing the same attacks, amassing the same resources, making use of the same techniques. I’m playing the game. Not as well as experienced players, but I’m playing it in a very real sense. When I lose I can clearly see that it was because my opponent made better use of the resources the game provides, not because he had access to resources that I could only ever have by spending lots of time on a separate “starcraft tutorial mode”.
In a hypothetical Starcraft game where certain units and attacks could only be created or used by sinking many hours of effort into a non-game Starcraft tutorial, I wouldn’t play it at all. Not because I can’t win, but because I can’t play. The time investment required makes it a bad deal for me. I just want to have fun making Zealots and Dragoons. I’m not willing to devote a sizable portion of my free time in “starcraft practice mode” just to do that. I have links to learn and BnB combos to optimize!
By comparison, I am not a casual fighting game player. I don’t mind sinking weeks into practice mode because I derive a lot of fun from playing fighting games. I don’t mind paying $150 on a stick that I only use for this specific genre of games. There’s the difference between casual or not. The amount of time, money and effort that one is willing to devote just to play. Not to win. Just to play.
Check out alexbib in the earlier pages of this thread. There’s you’re casual player. He just wants to play, but he can’t. Everyone agrees that he can’t, and that he shouldn’t be able to. At least, not with the time and effort he’s willing to invest. I conclude that means the answer to the topic question is YES.
I was simply replying to the multitude of posts in this thread that seems to suggest that reducing the execution requirements in fighting games is the answer to making them more accessible towards casual gamers. In the end it all comes down to how much time they are willing to invest towards improving. Simplifying fighting games more than they already are is not the ideal solution.
Meanwhile my baby sister just mashes buttons with Chipp and I-no in GG and whoeveer her faves in MK9 and TTT2 and loves just playing. This hard to paly mtyth needs to fucking die, at a casual level FGs are not hard to play.
Mashing != Playing. It’s about as close to playing as those preschool kids who bang on the buttons in amusement arcades when no one is actually using the machine.
Although if you do define mashing as playing, then I agree with you. Mashing is easy and anyone can do it.
Guess what, not everyone si going to pick up the sticks and expect to be Gootecks let alone Daigo when playing, sometimes people just wanan press some buttons and see shit happen, which is more than possible. No single game exist where people can’t just go in pressing buttons and see cool shit and have fun. And shut the fuck up with this mashing doesn’t equal nor isn’t the same as playing. People are still pressing buttons and stuff is happeneing on the sreen right? And even if it is just a flurry of buttons presses it’s playing, if it’s just doing really basic stuff because you find the flashing lights cool it’s playing, if you’re hitting Anakaris Curse infinites it’s playing. Alot of you idiots seem to have forgotten what playing and having fun actually are.
Mashing keys on the piano and creating a screeching cacaphony is still palying, it’s nowhere near the best play but it’s still play. It’s like you guys were born with a stick in your hand and ROM in your hearts.
I’ve been a member of the SRK and FGC longer than you going by your joindate, lets not resort to weakass tactics to make your argument look any better.