This button binding nonsense was a huge issue at the ranbat I went to. The SF4/3S one, I mean. People were binding 3P and 3K and whatever they wanted in SF4…some Claw was backflipping all over the place.
Is that generally banned? Does Evo allow it? It’d be nice if there was a tournament standard everyone could follow so there was no confusion
As I told you at the time of the tournament, it is not allowed in any Capcom game; in fact, the only game that allows macros like that is Guilty Gear, and only for roman canceling. That is the Evo standard.
Then we will enforce the no mapping for SFIV. Obviously we can’t police every match for it so if you see it, make it known. It doesn’t really affect the 25th ranbat, but I will announce it at the 8-1 tournament as we will have a loudspeaker-type device to do so.
Buttom mapping and button binding, in my opinion, are one in the same. They make a single input, such as B+C in BlazBlue, one button. Macros, on the other hand, make multiple inputs, such as A, B, C, one button.
With this difference in mind, I think button mapping/binding is perfectly legal for pad players. Macros are not legal, and the EVO rules reflect this. When they state that Turbo/Rapid Fire is not allowed, that’s basically banning macros; A, A, A, A, A, A, A, etc. is not legal to be mapped to one button.
They are rather vague, which isn’t good, but like Ghaleon said, it’s rarely a problem because most people play on stick anyway.
EVO doesn’t differentiate the button mapping rule for Capcom and non-Capcom games, not from what I saw from RadicalEdward’s link or within any of the individual game rulesets. I could be missing a rule to that effect if it’s buried within the site somewhere.
But, if you’d like me to update ranbat posts with a SFIV no mapping rule, I’ll do it. You’re the boss 
I think a general rule should be that button binding is legal on pad, but not on stick. Macros are always banned on either. Sticks are meant to be an arcade experience, and arcades have neither mapping nor macros, but pad players are having a different experience that comes with it’s own challenges, like Ghaleon said. I believe those challenges are hitting multiple buttons at the wrong time (people with big hands) and the overall lack of precision that accompanies the d-pad and analog stick when compared to an arcade stick. That’s my opinion, and it’s a bit nitpicky, but ah well.
If you want to keep it simple, just allow all macros since it’s Evo standard and it’s not going to decide any matches anyway. Their rule is if you can put it in the controller mapping screen it’s fine. It’s too hard to police that crap, who really cares. If you get beat by someone who used macros you definitely weren’t a better player, and nobody at higher levels uses them anyway. There’s ONE Marvel player like in the world that uses a PSX pad for 1-button dash (sacrifices assist) and he can still play on stick anyway (fanatiq). And if someone is *actually *using macros on their 2 spare buttons on an 8-button stick it’s just going to fuck them up anyway in the short and long run.
If it lets some low-level people think they have a chance to win cos of macros then let them enter with a Jaguar pad with specials mapped to each number, it won’t make them any good. Anything that gets more entries is a good thing with all the green n00bs jumping on fighters in 2009 who play pad.
Well, I thought it didn’t allow mapping, but whatevz. If it doesn’t, it doesn’t, and I’m wrong.
I wonder what kind of cookies Jesse and Jeremiah like…
I think that is a good way to put it. As long as the game allows it, it’s fine. But, would you allow BB to have specials on the right analog stick, or would that be an exception?
Specials on the right analog stick should be Taboo.
Lifted from Gamefaqs forum when trying to find out how the analog thing works and how to disable:
“Then I thought about it for a second and realized that since you have to take your thumb off the face button whenever you want to use it, the only people using it would be completely awful players and special spammers who have no desire to get any better at the game.”
Anyone who plays like that is going to suck extra hard, because they’ll also probably be trying to use the triggers as well, AND the face buttons. What a mess. It’s not going to make anyone get free wins or anything. IMO let n00bs have their fun, it won’t make a difference. A lot of casuals probably play that way online. If that’s the difference btw them entering and not, take that $$ It’s just less work for the staff/players anyway, not having to watchdog that shenanigans
Actually, I don’t know if your statement is altogether true…
It depends on what kind of character you’re using.
For example, I found out through Nathan’s friend Chris that with Hakumen you can easily pull off one of his main combos by mapping his “squall” to a direction on the right analog stick.
You just grab, HCF A, then F C and to finish the combo with his squall special. You can just hit the direction on the right Analog stick that you have Squall mapped to. It’s not difficult at all. That combo does good damage and can easily win a match.
I really do believe nothing should be mapped for BB on the right analog stick. Whether they are so called “n00bs” or not. I can’t really have a say when it comes to other games such as SFV or Marvel since I don’t play them competively.
Though, you can do as Chris says and just be that awesome buisness man and take that fight money.
No pun intended.
We like chocolatey goodness. No raisins please.
“Their rule is if you can put it in the controller mapping screen it’s fine.”
I do like this idea. Sounds logical. I am going to stick with no right analog stick mapping for BB
I just performed a last second barrier burst against my work schedule and can now come to the BB ranbat.
How is the PS3 situation for that day? Need any?
I shall take this into consideration.
I’m really bummed I missed these, been out of the country for a couple months.
Then come to this one this Saturday.
Ghaleon’s done a bit of legwork, I can see. I’ve yet to find any BB tournaments on Dustloop that ban the right analog stick macros.
Jesse, I think there should be two general rules added to all ranbats and future tournaments.
- Button mapping/binding that is allowed in-game is legal.
- Turbo/rapid fire/programmed combos are illegal.
This means that having KKK mapped for Ultras in SFIV is legal, a dash button is legal in MvC2 or TvC, and BB’s right analog stick easy specials are legal.
Ghaleon makes a good point that it will potentially bring in more players and cut down on worries of overlooking the players as they map their pads. I tried playing a little BB with the specials mapped, and you can only map 4 specials, and only one of those is a super. Playing a pad that way is bound to be challenging and uncomfortable, and anyone who is serious is probably using an arcade stick anyway.
Unless a significant number of BB/GG players complain about this, I believe those two general rules should be added to all AL fighting game tourneys. It matches the EVO standard.
This is an overlooked piece of genius wordplay.
That’d be great if you’d bring it just in case we need it. If we end up using it I’ll certainly refund your arcade fee. I’m definitely using yours for the 8-1 tourney, correct?
Yes, I’d like to have it used on the 1st.
I will bring it on the 25th and we’ll see how it goes.