And Goody is saying that isn’t a good enough reason. By blowing it off it lowers the quality of the film. If you have to say “Who is to say blah blah” then the film makers fucked up.
Uh, no that’s not how good science fiction works. It’s exactly what separates good Sci Fi from fantasy, that it’s based on Science.
Damn, it has been hard as hell to avoid this thread for a week. Sorry for long post, but the wheels are turning…
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I think they intended to create humans, they didn’t expect them to evolve to the point where we could create ourselves. The impression I got when they woke the Engineer up was he recognized the humans, then David spoke to him and the Engineer touches him and realized he’s artificial, and the humans created him. Freaks out because we weren’t supposed to get that far.
When the crew activates the hologram of the Engineers running and find the severed head, didn’t they say the outbreak happened 2000 years before? So maybe they’ve been guiding humanity along through it’s evolution, and at a certain point they were going to introduce the black liquid into(or back into) the mix. The human head statue room with the pods make it seem like that particular cache of black liquid was meant for humanity.
It wasn’t meant for the Engineers, wasn’t meant for the worms in the chamber either. Seemed like the outbreak happened when they were about to go Earth 2000 years before, so the worms could have evolved. The worm/black liquid combo causes the geologist guy to turn into a monster, the black liquid direct ingested by Holloway could have caused a similar reaction to the exploding head they reanimate/the Engineer in the beginning.
When Holloway says the Engineers were terraforming, they’re species terraforming. I took the opening scene as one of the cryo frozen Engineers sacrificing himself to pursue their evolutionary goals. He waits until the ship has lifted off, and he drinks the liquid at the top of a waterfall…knows that’s the best way to spread the shit. The process was stopped in Holloway when he Vickers torches him, Holloway getting Shaw pregnant was just a signature of the liquid’s adaptability.
The liquid continually adapts and progresses, taking on more and more traits of the Xenomorphs. The head of the worm that attacks Millburn sure as hell looked like a facehugger without the fingers, the tail grabbing his arm and tightening was the same trait the facehugger showed when it tightened it’s tail on Kane’s throat in Alien. Shaw’s baby takes on the traits of human in that it exponentially grows to adult size(and keeps going)…then it combines it’s DNA with Engineer, creating a new strain that is the black liquid/Shaw’s DNA through reproduction,Engineer’s DNA–getting closer and closer to what will eventually evolve into the Xenomorph. I figure the Engineers are trying to achieve perfection in evolution, but hey, nobody’s perfect…they intended to use the black liquid to shape evolution, not wipe out species. I think the whole bit with Janek claiming they’re biological weapons is just a ploy.
Kept thinking of Ash’s description in Alien. Perfect organism. A survivor. Unclouded by conscience, remorse or delusions of morality. The Engineers were working towards evolving into something perfect—but fucked it up, then we get there, fuck things up more.[/spoiler
I like the movie, having the point of reference in Alien with the ship/Engineer and wondering about it definitely helps for the overall mystique of the whole premise, as a huge Alien fan it’s got my mind just rolling, and that’s half the fun of it. There’s definitely some serious flaws in logic from the characters, them being scientists an all, but the philosophical side of it is more than enough to carry most of the movie for me even if the storytelling holds a little too much back a little too intentionally at times. I’m guessing Ridley Scott kept the R-Rating by promising to deliver a 2 hour cut of the movie, the middle section around Shaw’s event seems to be truncated…the scene with Shaw and Janek seems like the end to a much larger debate. C’mon, how many Ridley Scott epics clock in at just 2 hours since Gladiator? Blu-Ray, 2 hour 25-40 minute cut seems like a given knowing Ridley’s track record with home releases
And about the damn pod and other stuff…
[spoiler=] When Shaw’s going into the chamber with the surgery pod, I thought ship’s computer said the pod is calibrated for a man at the time…I took it as foreshadowing that Weyland had recently used it, but that entire sequence felt like scenes were missing. Not sure if I heard it wrong, but I’m guessing that pod was intended for Weyland’s use the whole time.
Holloway’s death was just like the Thelma and Louise finale…cuts to white too fast and not long enough.
When the mutant dude shows up at the base of the ship with it’s legs folded over it’s shoulders…such a Thing like moment.
I think David’s motivations were all Weyland’s motivations until Weyland is killed. Weyland has to be monitoring things, so anything he tells David to do would override what Vickers would tell him. Once Weyland is dead, David is free.
I thought this movie was awesome. Relied more on it’s moral tone than it did with the other films.
Some scenes were great, most of the movie sucked.
Good stuff
crap stuff
You have to dig far too much to understand the movie you just paid 10 bucks to watch. I get them trying to be ambiguous but this is just bullshit. Reminds me of Lost actually…
They try to tackle science vs religion but are too pussy to fall on either side out of fear of offending. Either that or they themselves don’t know. Both answers are cop-outs and piss me the hell off. Yes they are addressing the questions noone else is, but they aren’t giving an answer, so what’s the god-damn point! For those who don’t understand this, I will now attempt to illustrate this point through the remainder of this post (1 plus what equals what.)
They sequel bait. Big time. In fact, the whole movie IS a sequel bait. (what plus 1 equals what.)
Apart from David, everyone else might as well be the same person. Nobody gives a sht that a new life form was discovered and the only samply they bought, blew up. Nobody gives a shit that one of their main members just got torched to death. Nobody cares that the other main character, who has stated she cannot give birth, gives birth to an alien life form, then performs a c-section on her own body. Hell, she doesn’t seem to give a shit. (1 what equals what)
The movie invalidates itself. You are told at the beginning, the engineers have sign posted their planet (an invitation) in caves. That’s why the humans go to it - in search of new life. You are then told, by a guy who’s previous accomplishments so far have been: jack and shit, that this is a weapons testing planet. You are then told, by Shaw, that your answers are in a different cast…I mean planet. You then realise that this movie is one big giant trailer for the innevitable sequel. (What plus what equals what?)
Damn you lindelof!
I liked the movie a lot, but I’ll admit I was like a broken WTF record from the moment Shaw got off the operating table to the end of the damn film. That was retarded.
I’m still trying to piece together everything else. I’ve at least come to the conclusion this planet is NOT the same one that Ripley and crew landed on in Alien.
It’s LV-223, LV-426 is the planet Nostromo lands than.
There’s actually debate about it being the same planet as Alien/Aliens?:shake:
Sure it is, there is nothing that says the birth at the end didn’t go and find a cave/as in another ship. Also, in alien there was a distress signal, easily could have been another ship another engineer. Its not impossible at all.
This movie was fine, I feel they retconned the initial alien concept since before aliens, there wasn’t even suppose to be a queen.
How are they gonna do a sequel? That would be stupid. (Though you never know)
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Prometheus took place on a planet they called LV-223. Alien was on LV-426. Different planets. Moons technically iirc.
Edit: SF-Zero beat me.
There’s debate because it’s plausible that Weyland Yutani would rename the moon to cover up it’s secrets.
If it is indeed a new planet it raises even more questions, how widespread was this infection?
Trailer was better than the movie lol
Eh, for some reason I thought it was the same, that’s my mistake then.
I suppose there is room for a sequel? Engineer gets infected after leaving and lands on the other?
Do we know whether the two moons are even in the same galaxy though?
Anyone remember what year alien happens in?
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Actually going back to the “just another tomb” scene.
Did we not see a primitive xeno egg with a lithograph of a xenomorph?
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It looks like some emerald, I can only assume they extract something from it to create life since the mural of the xenomorph hung directly above it.
Yeah it doesn’t spoon feed you, instead it kinda like throws everything into a blender with the top off and splatters everything all over the place. The plot/story is a complete clusterfuck.
Remember that one jump at the end when Dr. Idontgiveashitwhathernameis barely makes it and lands with her stomach on the edge? Would have been pretty funny if her space staples came loose and she just ripped in half.
Also, this is pretty funny.
Well I have to admit I liked it enough that I will go see it again. Ill scrutinize that further cause it looked like an egg to me.
From what I remember anyways, I went home afterwards and watched inception.
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It looked like the door in Super Metroid, to me.
Self-homage by proxy?
I have absolutely nothing to contribute here. My work is done here.
On a serious note, it’s too bad that it turned out so herp-derp. Oh well, I’ll go check out the gore stuff, I’m a sucker for that.
the end still baffles me a little because the engineer dies on vickers vessel and now in his seat like he was found in alien.
This film is absolutely brilliant. It not only works well as a standalone but also works very well in the Alien universe. People who are blaming the film for having “plot holes” are simply not paying enough attention to the little details and are attempting to directly correlate it to the event of Alien. What the film alludes to is much more grandiose than many realize or take into account. Dig deep enough and read into more into what is being described or hinted at and you will see there is a very concrete film at the surface and relates to Alien in a different way then one would expect.
I would like to see the individuals who complained about this movie having “plot holes” or “poorly written” go back and watch 2001: A Space Odyssey and then complain about not having answers or any real meaning.
People who still want answers from Prometheus are simply out of luck. Last I checked nobody knows the meaning of life or the meaning of the universe it inhabits.