Alien Covenant / Prometheus / Aliens / AvP / Discussion Thread

All I have to say is, those pain killers must have been mad godlike.

I had a hernia repaired a couple of years back, and I wasn’t jumping like that for a full year, much less immediately afterwards. Matter of fact, getting out of bed was a motherfucker for at least a week.

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It seems obvious to me, that the dude in the beginning was banished to the lifeless rock that was Earth, like an alien Napolean, and was given alien hemlock. The creation of life on Earth was an unexpected result. This is why they want us dead - they never intended us to live in the first place.

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Further, I loved how the movie self-homaged, with the sole alien survivor having only survived the accident 2000 years ago, by going into hypersleep. He was the alien Ripley.

I like this analysis.

Came across some great artwork

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[details=Spoiler]Different planet, different jockey. Otherwise you have to deal with the bodies, the cylinders, etc.

Even if you go with “the protoalien seen at the end has evolved into a queen and laid eggs as seen in Alien 1”, you still have the problem of the “weapons chambers”/slime pools.[/details]

I saw it today thanks to work and thought it was pretty meh. It was interesting in that Ridley Scott “I will now spend a month trying to figure out WTF everything means” way (as seen in the questions here), but — it’s a popcorn movie to me - visually cool, intellectually shallow.

FWIW the 3d isn’t useful/important. If my gf makes me see it again, I’ll probably go to the 2d showing since the 3d made everything extra dark.

Fucking awful movie. I’m just going to pretend the alien series ended with 2

It did. :coffee:

This wasn’t a bad prequel, however - not by any means.

Wow. Nice fan theory. Yeah he did kinda look like he was forced into it, not some benevolent being gladly making a sacrifice for greater things or whatever.

Perhaps a prisoner of war they were executing and figured he’d double nicely for an experiment.

But what of the cave paintings then? Obviously they knew of the ‘mistake’ for a very long time.

It was hella better than anything else since then in the franchise by far. Including both AVPs.

Yeah, the paintings don’t make any sense at the end of the day. [details=Spoiler]Why would people have happy maps everywhere pointing directly to your weapon planet? WTF?

I can see the Celestial-like iteration and evolution, maybe, but ------ maps all over the Earth leading to the armory doesn’t make sense.[/details]

Azure’s theory is probably correct :tup: the movie is called Prometheus after all.

Random thought…

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This movie isn’t subtle at all. Everything they’ve created including themselves is hostile, the least hostile thing in this movie are the humans. It would have been really good if we turned on each other to survice or we really try to fuck the Engineers up (Aliens style) rather than wait for the sequel. I guess the problem is Ridley wanted to tell the grand story of the Engineers, but they don’t get much screen time.

I find this concerning.

I nominate Nolan to write and produce the sequel, Nolan picks better actors and knows how to tell a story like nobody else IMO.

I agree with Preppy, that

[details=Spoiler]The cave paintings make literally zero sense. They imply that the engis gave people knowledge of that particular place in space. A place that was just a tiny outpost. An outpost built specifically to create bioweapons to wipe out earth. At least if what David saw was accurate.

Also, Irdra’s character had nuance, and, it was strongly implied, a military background of sorts. He was the one who pieced together that the moon base was an installation created far from the Engi’s home. This too, makes sense, given what we see.

However, there is also the fact that there were many ships on that moon - not just one.

Wouldn’t this seem to suggest that the moon base was more than merely a place to design the end of Earth?

We are accidental, that much I think is given. Not leastly because we are supposedly genetically identical to them. Not just similar, per all life is connected at some level - genetically identical. We are them, come again.

And yet not, perhaps, because, as someone else in here mentioned, the humans showed the most decency, compassion, love, care for others, etc, of any of the species shown.

Maybe we are them before they bred down a path without pathos?

I also do not believe that they intended to wipe us out for fear of us. If anything, it seemed a matter of arrogance on their part, like they saw themselves as gods, and thus entitled to do as they please. A very savage, violent, and utterly casually cruel race, all in all.

But yeah. Cave paintings make zero sense… why show us the Space Nazi germ warfare production site’s location?[/details]

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maybe the cave paintings are there as a “just in case you fuckers get smart enough to come looking for us”. then we take the bait and run into a trap

i hate having to speculate your own details. one or two things is okay, but the movie shouldnt lead to a bigger bag of questions

Agreed.

With the non-spoiled part.

I added a bit more.

See what you think?

As for the spoiled part

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Why do that, though? They created the weapons, and were planning to send them to Earth 2000 years ago, except the bioweapon wiped all of them out, except for Engi Ripley. Why dare us if they were already preptime Batmaning our destruction?

I’m surprised at you guys smh

[details=Spoiler] maybe it wasn’t always the plan to kill us. my guess is that part of their leadership wanted us contained to earth for research and whatnot, and the military wanted us wiped out. obviously some time passed between the dude in the beginning creating us, and the decision to wipe us out. they wouldnt have had a bunch of ships with so many pods for just one human, or one changed DNA strand in the water

of course this is all baseless conjecture, but whatevs…[/details]

Gonna watch Alien 1/2 then go watch this.

I watched it and liked it.

I like the fact that this movie didn’t spoon feed everything to me and made me using my thinking meat.

HOWever I am concerned that the writer or Lost wrote this. Hopefully this franchise won’t end up a huge cluster fuck like that show.

That show had so much potential, and they just blew their load when they did the classic, “all a dream” explanation.

I was so pissed. It was like a 5 year long rick roll.

Lets say they really intended to destroy us but then the outbreak happened, everyone at the installation got messed up, etc. That was what? A few thousand years ago?

If they’re so intent why didn’t they do anything since then? Had a hell of enough time. I’m thinking the decision was overturned, or they just stopped caring and declared the faculty off-limits. It was just that 1 guy who survived still blindly following old orders.