Alex General Discussion: "At ease, loo-suh!" The Alex SFV Thread

[CommanderofTroy]

I was beating nashs somersault move clean with cr hp, likec sometimes I felt I would react to it late and I’d still wreck him. …

st.mp also stuffs about all his command pokes clean, cr.mp and st.mp are the shit for counter pokes in his arsenal mid range generally

Saw that working for nash’s v trigger well. Alex might have the best and most consistent answer I’ve seen it thus far that isn’t simply jumping away.

need to try that in the sim matchup

http://youtu.be/vmGksi2_lkk

Here it is my friend, just had to find it.

[pootnannies]

Daigo playing Alex. some dude posted this on eventhubs comments section

https://youtu.be/G_NUCX8SJb4

[Zachara]

A bunch of “I’m better than you and you don’t know shit” stuff.

I really, truly, couldn’t care less about the amount of points you have. The amount of points you have in an online game doesn’t matter when discussing points about a character, especially one that hasn’t even been out for 48 hours.
I love your reply about Stun Gun. I gave you a reason why it could be useful once you’ve trained your opponent to block the Stomp and your answer is “Herp derp, won’t work because gimmick”. That practically sums up everything you said.
I’m not wasting my time with someone who can’t discuss without being condescending to the extreme while also crying that everything sucks. It’s a waste of your time and mine.

Oh, and calling people “Son” is a good way to make yourself look like you’re around 13 and trying to act like a grown up on the internet.
Have fun.

[Whizard]

Heavy elbow gives you an EX Chop follow up midscreen and a Knee Smash follow up in the corner, so always make sure to end your combo with that. If you DO follow up with an EX chop the frame advantage also changes due to the opponent being higher in the air, you get RIDICULOUS + frame on a dash in on their quickrisen and can yet again dash in and do an immediate st.hk for a meaty that beats 3f normals. Sadly you can’t do dash in f.hp because you’re slightly out of range of f.hp’s crouching hitbox. You also don’t get any meaty Powerbomb opportunities from this.

I think that covered all of his options, right?

You can also do Heavy Elbow into CA in the corner, this is probably common knowledge so you didn’t mention it but I was just saying in case.

[Justus]

Theory -

So let’s quickly consider Alex’s st.hp and the potential hurtbox it may have, Alex brings his arm down from above. The general animation behind his st.hp is very strange, and considering how it alters his hurtbox it may be a very strong button in stuffing crouching shorts and jabs from a distance. For instance let’s say we tried st.mp > st.hp as a blockstring, it has an 8f gap naturally but would a potential fragmented hurtbox make it an option that stuffs certain moves from a distance?

I haven’t seen the hitbox/hurtbox data yet so I’m wondering.

Can you explain the hit boxes of st.hp?

I have no idea
How to read this one, it looks quite different bc there is no box where his fist are.

https://i.imgur.com/2tMZe4x.jpg

Sorry it is a picture for ants.

[giant_rat]

all that yellow is his hurtbox, and that red is the hitbox. not only is there not a hitbox where his fist is, his hurtbox extends to over an arms length away from his actual arm. it looks like most crouching normals would whiff, but that hitbox is too high up to whiff punish.

[Frost]

See I expected the hitbox to match the limb, but SFV doesn’t do that for most normals. I’m happy the hurtbox is disjointed the way it is though, it could probably beat certain things.

Edit**
When’s the next major? I want to see Strider play Alex, if it’s anywhere near his Abel’s quality he’ll be my favourite to watch and take notes from

[EyeOfThundera822]

Looks weird as hell but Cr.mp is a legit anti air as well. Try it out and see. It gives him a low profile so he doesn’t get hit and kinda land on his arm. Super consistent.

[Mr.X]

all that yellow is his hurtbox, and that red is the hitbox. not only is there not a hitbox where his fist is, his hurtbox extends to over an arms length away from his actual arm. it looks like most crouching normals would whiff, but that hitbox is too high up to whiff punish.

Thought that was his proxy guard length.

[Zachara]

^^
The horizontal yellow is the proximity box.
The vertical yellow is the hurtbox.

[Muttonman]

The hitbox follows his fist down on later frames. And the yellow is not his hurtbox

[PredatorFTW]

I found it funny when some people want to jump in a whiffer st.HK and they can’t even cross up Alex because he moves forward after it.

[Citrus_monkey]

Wow, chun li matchup…that shit is freeeeee for her. I’ve played against around 13-15 li’s and she just stuff your everything. I don’t really know how to put some insight into this other than everything seems in her favor. Footsies, space control, rushdown and keepaway. How the hell do you deal with her? Hell, where st. lp has been my primary AA tool, she can just stuff it no problem. Really lost here.

[Bronn]

7-3 in 3s, 7-3 here 8]

You’re kinda just forced to poke/counter poke her and you need meter to score a KD somehow. I think st.lp can hit her out of IA Legs?
Not sure, happened once. Terrible, terrible matchup.

[Bronn]

Any thoughts on EX Powerbomb? Kinda feels like a waste of meter a bit. It pushes you a smidge closer on wakeup than the other powerbombs, but not for really anything you couldn’t already do, besides maybe meaty sweep. The extra 60 dmg/20 stun is nice, and you can tick from it from a button or two you can’t tick from LP Powerbomb, but Alex is very meter hungry for EX confirms/super reversal/mixups, it doesn’t feel productive to use this button outside of closing out a round or looking cool.

Does it have any throw/strike invuln stuff I’m missing?

[Zachara]

I really don’t like using Ex-Power Bomb. The only benefits is has are the extra dmg and stun you spoke of and the tiniest bit of range on the low variation. It still gives the same 15 frames of advantage on quick rise.
Speaking of Ex-Command Grabs though - Ex-Power Drop is great as it gives 15 frames of advantage compared to the normal Power Drop which gives only 6.

Re: Chun Li
I assumed this would be one of the hardest match ups. 3 frame normal + all of her other BS and I can imagine her being tough. IALL should get jab-able as the hurtbox on them is much worse than they first seem.

[Citrus_monkey]

I really don’t like using Ex-Power Bomb. The only benefits is has are the extra dmg and stun you spoke of and the tiniest bit of range on the low variation. It still gives the same 15 frames of advantage on quick rise.
Speaking of Ex-Command Grabs though - Ex-Power Drop is great as it gives 15 frames of advantage compared to the normal Power Drop which gives only 6.

Re: Chun Li
I assumed this would be one of the hardest match ups. 3 frame normal + all of her other BS and I can imagine her being tough. IALL should get jab-able as the hurtbox on them is much worse than they first seem.

I have a bad habit of using EX power bomb because birdie’s EX grab is amazing, but after a st.mp xx mp chop setup you can just do lp power bomb and it’s almost the same. I save EX mostly for elbow because it’s been the best situational GTFO tool for me thus far. I find EX stomp and headbutt a waste too, they are both so incredibly situational, and the stomp is like, impossible to control.
IALL isn’t so much of an issue as just regular j.mp or hp is, they both seem to flat out neglect st.lp. Either way, it’s expected for chunky characters to have at least one 7-3 match, and I think chun and cammy are both a 7-3 for him. Will have to study those more closely!

[Bronn]

Nah EX Stomp is very integral to his mixup game, just because it’s + on block. When they see you using it they’ll also try to either air to air or AA you, which if you read is a free st.hk CC or cr.hp.

EX Powerbomb is just a dead-end move to me.

[Muttonman]

If you have the hard read and are only in range for LP/EX (same range) then go for EX Powerbomb. 60 damage is pretty much the best damage to meter ratio you’ll get out of an EX move. If you’re not 100% sure it’ll hit I wouldn’t go for it though. Sucks that it doesn’t get extra range though

[Bronn]

I’d argue even in those situations you’re better off saving the meter for EX Elbow oki. If timed right it beats jumps/meaties/and goes through even EX 3f reversals. Unsafe on block, but that’s life.