Alex General Discussion: "At ease, loo-suh!" The Alex SFV Thread

[GenUser]

Lol well abels were considered pretty shitty you are right but I felt you just had to know the ranges where they were most affective, but you could also get really good mix ups off of them with rolls, which alex can’t really do as far as I can tell.

Btw if you get the juggle with the tip of alex’s cr hp as an anti air, fierce AKS will connect, tough tI ming very similar again to abels crouch fierce anti air juggles.

[ANUB1S]

Uh… I’m not sure if you’re implying that we don’t know how to use a button that doesn’t have “ANTI-AIR” printed across it in bright neon letters or not but that’s not the case.
Most of us here are well aware that different buttons can anti air. Hell, I’ve seen people use sweeps to low profile and anti air but that doesn’t mean that it will work every time. What we’re discussing for the most part are Alex’s viable, consistent anti airs of which we have cr.HP, st.LP and Ex-Knee. The other buttons at the moment seem less good on demand due to either their hitboxes or their speed. For instance - I can Anti Air Ryu’s j.HK with f.HP every time in training mode, doing it in an actual match is much harder unless you’re sitting there doing nothing waiting for them to jump at you. I know that’s just common sense but it seems it needs to be said.
I understand the use of j.LP/MP/MK/HK but due to the input leniency in this game I will occasionally get Headbutt/Stomp instead. Granted, that’s 100% on me and I need to adjust but that’s an issue I’m running into with those moves.
I don’t understand your comparison to Infiltration’s Nash. Anyone running a flow chart is going to get downloaded regardless of their character or game.

EX Elbow has armor so you’ll want to do it to scare people from stealing turns depending on the frame armor begins
EX Headbutt is good to escape a corner and get to fullscreen.

Ex-Headbutt is a pretty good escape tool, definitely.
Ex-Slash though, yeah, it has armour, I just don’t like the whole -10 on block thing. Do we have confirmation on when the armour starts? It’s not 1st frame is it?

EDIT - (Don’t know if I’m slow or you guys are posting stuff fast )

Spaced correctly, Flash Chops are not punishable, and you can whiff punish any mashed lights that the opponent throws out after with lights or s.MP.

Chop, whiff punish s.MP xx Chop xx Super is the shit.

I guess I’m going to have to work on my Chop placement.
Related to that - I need to see the hitboxes we’ve got… It’s just the way that I take things on board but we’ve got the math (Frame data) now I need to see those boxes.

Nah I’m not trying to belittle anybody on this forum but I also do not know anybody on here nor have I been doing this forum posting thing for very long. I would think most on people on here know fighting games but hey you never know, just throwing out some advice for those that may lurk on here but never say anything like I used to do lol.

[GenUser]

Man I don’t know I’m not having issues with his anti airs personally, they seem very abel like though particular cr hp so maybe I’m just comfortable in that space, I find stand lp really good too, not gief/sim tier but pretty good non the less. And I LOVE lariat aND if you get that crush counter

I wish. If Alex had the Abel/Urine cr.hp I don’t think anyone would be complaining about his AA, it’d basically be his current shoulder cr.hp but arc’d in a way that would cover most of his problem areas.

Yeah it definitely doesn’t cover in the same way you are right, but I feel pretty right at home with it anyway lol

[Frost]

Uh… I’m not sure if you’re implying that we don’t know how to use a button that doesn’t have “ANTI-AIR” printed across it in bright neon letters or not but that’s not the case.
Most of us here are well aware that different buttons can anti air. Hell, I’ve seen people use sweeps to low profile and anti air but that doesn’t mean that it will work every time. What we’re discussing for the most part are Alex’s viable, consistent anti airs of which we have cr.HP, st.LP and Ex-Knee. The other buttons at the moment seem less good on demand due to either their hitboxes or their speed. For instance - I can Anti Air Ryu’s j.HK with f.HP every time in training mode, doing it in an actual match is much harder unless you’re sitting there doing nothing waiting for them to jump at you. I know that’s just common sense but it seems it needs to be said.
I understand the use of j.LP/MP/MK/HK but due to the input leniency in this game I will occasionally get Headbutt/Stomp instead. Granted, that’s 100% on me and I need to adjust but that’s an issue I’m running into with those moves.
I don’t understand your comparison to Infiltration’s Nash. Anyone running a flow chart is going to get downloaded regardless of their character or game.

EX Elbow has armor so you’ll want to do it to scare people from stealing turns depending on the frame armor begins
EX Headbutt is good to escape a corner and get to fullscreen.

Ex-Headbutt is a pretty good escape tool, definitely.
Ex-Slash though, yeah, it has armour, I just don’t like the whole -10 on block thing. Do we have confirmation on when the armour starts? It’s not 1st frame is it?

EDIT - (Don’t know if I’m slow or you guys are posting stuff fast )

Spaced correctly, Flash Chops are not punishable, and you can whiff punish any mashed lights that the opponent throws out after with lights or s.MP.

Chop, whiff punish s.MP xx Chop xx Super is the shit.

I guess I’m going to have to work on my Chop placement.
Related to that - I need to see the hitboxes we’ve got… It’s just the way that I take things on board but we’ve got the math (Frame data) now I need to see those boxes.

Nah I’m not trying to belittle anybody on this forum but I also do not know anybody on here nor have I been doing this forum posting thing for very long. I would think most on people on here know fighting games but hey you never know, just throwing out some advice for those that may lurk on here but never say anything like I used to do lol.

Nah we got 7 year+ dudes who are ass

[Frost]

EX Stomp feels really hard to control, I keep missing people with it…it moves forward so fast if you hold it for slightly longer than needed

[Lokiramza]

I’m really enjoying Alex but the character at least on the surface has some very severe and obvious flaws.

That being said Ex-Headbutt is freaking godlike.

[Frost]

Does EX Headbutt track or is it guided as well? The EX versions scare the hell out of me, they’re fast as hell and hard to control. I’ve had a ton of success with just st.mp > cr.lp xx Headbutt/Stomp

[Akhos]

Does EX Headbutt track or is it guided as well?

EX Headbutt is also guided.

[Lokiramza]

It seems to be a mix of the two. You control the general distance but it either autocorrects a bit or the hitbox is so heinous that it has a pretty large margin for error for the headbutt at least.

I’ve had less glowing success with the stomp as it has a larger margin for error. EX-Stomp is actually really good as well for the most part if harder to control. It seems + on block letting you stomp in and go for a throw mixup

[Muttonman]

I think they go a set distance and if that distance is on top of a character they land in front. That’s before guidance of course. They both lose to neutral jumps so don’t abuse em too much!

[Lokiramza]

Very true! Full screen your just gonna be pissing away meter but if your closer, say half a screen or so, its extremely hard to react to.

[Zachara]

Something that’s confusing me at the moment. There are times when I parry something like a jump in but then the move doesn’t come out. I thought you had to hold it and then release but it seems that it’s 50/50 as to whether it wants to come out of not.
Either that or I’m being a moron…

IIRC, if you parry a move, keep holding the buttons to get the follow-up (it won’t charge further). If you release it you just go back to neutral.

I know I’m supposed to keep holding, it’s just that sometimes it just doesn’t come out. A short while ago I had super available and managed to parry cr.MK xx Ex-Hadoken, held but nothing came out. I don’t know, it may well be me being impatient or perhaps letting one of the buttons go slightly. Since I’ve not heard anyone else saying about it, I’ll assume it’s me.

Nah I’m not trying to belittle anybody on this forum but I also do not know anybody on here nor have I been doing this forum posting thing for very long. I would think most on people on here know fighting games but hey you never know, just throwing out some advice for those that may lurk on here but never say anything like I used to do lol.

It’s my bad. People have been talking shit and I lowered my expectations of the people posting. If you ever see a post of me being shitty, you’re most likely better off ignoring 3/4’s of it. xD

RE: Stomps - I’m really having a hard time using them in general. The hitbox seems minuscule. I guess it’s going to take a while to adjust from his 3S Stomps.

[Frost]

Yeah mid-range EX Stomp from a blocked normal is quite good, I suspect blockstrings into cr.lp xx EX Stomp will be a nice little gimmick for Alex players, then you get a 4f trap on landing if blocked.

[Zachara]

Alright guys, to everyone I was being an moody arse with - I’m sorry. St.LP Is really, really good. It takes a while to get used to but then I just had 2 Bo3’s where the other person did nothing but fireball, up-forward, shoryu. Anti-air’d one of them more than 12 times in one round. They continued to jump.
I’m still not a huge fan of the Knees. Just aren’t doing the job for me but again, it might be just getting used to them.

[GenUser]

Alright guys, to everyone I was being an moody arse with - I’m sorry. St.LP Is really, really good. It takes a while to get used to but then I just had 2 Bo3’s where the other person did nothing but fireball, up-forward, shoryu. Anti-air’d one of them more than 12 times in one round. They continued to jump.
I’m still not a huge fan of the Knees. Just aren’t doing the job for me but again, it might be just getting used to them.

There we go! I was trying to cancel into his specials from anti air lp for some shenanigans but nothing seemed decent

[Frost]

Best thing to do is just apply meaty pressure from the air reset

[Lokiramza]

Alright guys, to everyone I was being an moody arse with - I’m sorry. St.LP Is really, really good. It takes a while to get used to but then I just had 2 Bo3’s where the other person did nothing but fireball, up-forward, shoryu. Anti-air’d one of them more than 12 times in one round. They continued to jump.
I’m still not a huge fan of the Knees. Just aren’t doing the job for me but again, it might be just getting used to them.

To be quite blunt the Knees are very awkward and unreliable. I’ve had the EX version eat beefy jumpins so I’m waiting for (finished)frame data on it as something feels really wonky.

[GenUser]

Have you guys seen the recovery on his dive bomb? Holy hell he rolls on the ground for like a few seconds lol

[Frost]

I’ve barely used it to be honest, I really should use it more often I tend to forget it exists.

[learis1]

I’ve never played alex before and am contemplating buying him. Could someone summarize his fighting style? Is he similar to R. Mika or Zangief in his strategy? Or is he completely unique in how he plays?