It’s not too hard to avoid but if you get you opponent thinking “block” you will get a free combo.
Can they forward dash out of it since backthrow barely gives you any time for proper setups?
Yeah it isn’t a tight setup, but could be useful during a tight match. I wouldn’t bank on it, but we have almost nothing from a back throw so at least it’s something.
If you pull off the free combo, a good mix up option is TK fireball. Your opponent tries to “smarten up” and not fall for the same setup:
MP, HP, EX DP, Ultra 2 whiffs (punish accordingly), ALL other reversals gets stuffed, LK, MK, HK, EX Tatsu’s, Super, Ultra 1
Edit: Forgot lp DP gets stuffed too
I have an idea that just came to mind. It may be a little irrationaly because it uses EX DF - EX FB. (BTW this is untested, but just a random thought up setup)
After a back throw - EX DF - EX FB
would that be useful for anything or setup anything? someone try it
I messed around with this before. Depending on your timing, you can:
- hit them from the front with palm
- DF throw them on wakeup
- crossover DF palm
- crossup DF DK.
Didn’t realize it was an unblockable though. Indeed can be dashed out of.
You can achieve the exact same mixup after any HK Tatsu hit (close or far).
Does anyone have a setup midscreen for stuffing Ryu’s DPs? As said previously Dashx2 Crossup Tatsu works ok but I’ve got nothing that hits infront to mix it up with. Starting to really feel it in the matchup too, I definitely need this back :x
Dash x 1, slight step, HK DF Dive Kick?
holy bolderation batman.
My results with that setup so far have been fairly bad, one timing won’t beat all of the DPs. The best I’ve managed to do is stuff lp and hp but not mp, which I guess is good enough but unfortunately there doesn’t seem to be a one size fits all solution anymore.
throw, dash, slight walk, hk DF slight delay dive kick beat everything (and makes stuff whiff). Practice it some its easy
^ This… I know it’s a poor substitute to a frame perfect setup, but with some practice you can get the timing down. And even if you mess up the timing where the oponent Ryu uses MP SRK to beat out your dive kick (or you think he will), you can just switch up to Dash x 2, Cross-up tatsu to keep him guessing. Are you delaying your Dive Kick enough or are you doing it peak?
Or what about fs.HK immediately after fwd throw, HK DF (delayed)? I believe that stuffs all of Ryu’s options except EX DP…??
Ya I’d like to know too. also I know after sweep for ryu you do hk demon early dive kick. Is this the rule of thumb against shotos or do some specific setups require late dive kicks?
It sucks but this only beats Ryu’s lp dp now since they made his hp dp invincible for the first 4 frames.
Is this for the sweep hk early dive kick, or the forward throw setup?
Kens MP dp has 6 frames of invincibility and can be stuffed. Its a matter of timing and spacing and Ryus HP dp hurtbox isnt amazing.
Against Chun Li
Throw > Dash > EX DF > Dive kick
Unblockable if blocked low. Not the absolute best set up, but good to know.
Ryu’s hp shoryu had 5f invincibility in vanilla yet it was stuffed by that exact same setup. His hit/hurtboxes haven’t changed either. Hp shoryu can be stuffed, it’s his mp shoryu that’s the true killer and not even due to it’s 5f inv, but because of it’s godly hitbox. Same for akuma, who also has a stuffable 6f inv shoryu, but an undefeatable mp shoryu.
As soon as the invincibility frames run out, which often is the case with akuma’s dive kicks, hurt/hitboxes are all that matters.
quote=“Canadian_sk8ter, post: 6445762, member: 48345”]Is this for the sweep hk early dive kick, or the forward throw setup?
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Max range sweep, hk early divekick. I’m not sure about the x’s & o’s but it trades every time now. I don’t doubt you guys when you say nothing has changed, but no one else has trouble with this setup particularly vs. Ryu’s HP dp?
Does anyone have any good setups against honda and gen?
Gonna be playing a guy who plays both soon and want to beat him ha
I assume this is corner, right? What about EX SBK…?