talk about being a sheep, isn’t the point of having a discussion board to discuss and debate? Not all opinions will be ones you like or agree with.
I got that part, and it wouldn’t have been a problem if he had just stopped there. The problem was when he started to bash “scrubs” (Again, using the word incorrectly), and that’s where Preppy’s “Get off my lawn” comes in.
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You should be calling an assist to cover your airdash now, being able to block let’s you get away with not putting effort into creating a safe approach.
I imagine you can block when the airdash ends, so Morrigan shouldn’t be hurt bad since her dash ends when you stop holding forward right?
Poor Hsein Ko. Can’t cancel pendulum and her airdash is slow as balls while going nowhere and no longer can block during it.
Aiight guys, check this out. I got a scenario for you.
Say you’re trying to get from half-screen straight into [insert character’s face]. But he pushblocks you back out, then does a special that pushes you to fullscreen. Do you
A) Airdash in to get back to halfscreen and risk taking damage
B) Ground Dash/Walk into an acceptable range
C) Call a beam/projectile/lockdown assist and follow A or B
D) Sit in your corner and complain that pushblock is too strong/airdash is too weak
well being a discussion forum its only natural for there to be people with different opinions
without going into too much detail and discounting online(because its laughable), the idea that you can completely dominate someone in every facet for 99% of a match and have them press 4 buttons on block and run it back in 6 seconds against 3 full hp characters because their mixup on oncoming characters is so strong is a little offputting for anyone who has put any amount of time into the game to get better
ultimately complaining about it is irrelevant, but capcom is instating changes like the airdash nerf which quite frankly does absolutely nothing to change rushdown, was only done because the only people who would think it makes any difference(aside from very specific cases, like spiderman which was mentioned and ammy, for which the nerf was made) are scrubs who dont understand the real implications of “airdash nerf”. scrubs are going to think OH SHIT AIRDASH NERF??? this means magneto wont be able to trijump the shit out of me yay! when in reality the :df: direction airdash is unchanged and 100% of the time you’re trijumping you have a normal out anyways. as it was mentioned, you couldn’t block mid ad in mvc2 either and rushdown owns that game for the most part. this change doesnt really change anything except for ammy, which needed something because boxjumping over and over and over and over and over into the HP os was silly, and it means that youre going to get destroyed by storm or ryu/akuma if you airdash too much from fullscreen now
the main thorn in most people’s side for mvc3 is it gives the dude who puts in 1% of the effort a huge chance to win vs the guy who puts in 99% of the effort simply off of game mechanics. not off of good reads or good gameplay or good anything. the dude is basically pressing buttons and winning instead of actually knowing what hes doing to get a win. good players will dominate lower level players most of the time, but nobody is good enough to just block every ambiguous teleport mixup on an incoming character 100% of the time. does this make the “scrub” better then the guy who actually puts in effort because he beat him? well, yes in a sense, he pressed 4 buttons at a good time and took advantage of it and you cant take that away from the guy. but what you end up with is a shallow game where you need to walk on eggshells against shit players because if they’re smart enough to block cancel and teleport, you could be fucked for that reason. making changes like “cant block during airdash” and “reducing meter gain to 90% of what it was in vanilla” instead of something reasonable like 80 or 75%, serve as bandaids to keep people who just simply dont understand the games mechanics feeling good enough to buy their new product, instead of fixing actual issues with the game(obsence damage that assists take, still crazy meter building, way too much damage from most characters overall, etc)
In case Amaterasu, Dante, Morrigan, Tron, Zero, Hsien-Ko, Viewtiful Joe, Shuma-Gorath and Chun-Li* players missed it, it’s only characters with 8-way dashes getting slowed down. Yeah, they can’t block during their air-dashes anymore so it seems like if you want to be safe during them you’ll have to cancel the dash into a safe air normal on reaction. But at least the speed reduction is not hitting these characters.
- Do Chun-Li players exist? Honest question
I’m sorry, but this post is grossly over-exaggerated. X-Factor is not an instant win button. If you own someone 99% of the time, and they pop XF, you’ll still own them. X-Factor doesn’t take away your ability to block, avoid, or fight back. Best part is, you have it too.
If you’re losing to someone that’s just pressing buttons, then you aren’t very good at all. Sorry, that’s just common sense.
Marvel 3 is easier to pick up and play, but nobody is going to waltz in from the cornfields and start kicking ass on day one, unless it’s online and against other bad players. The skill gap is still present, it’s just not as wide as in the previous installments. You still have to practice, build a team, synergize it, and learn strategies and matchups.
Practice what you preach? When you came into the MvC2 good games thread, did anyone tell you gtfo if you didnt like the game? no. Everyone offered you a debate as to why Mvc3 was ass in our eyes, thats a debate, ppl wanted to hear what you had to say as well but you scurried along with your tail btwn your legs. Don’t mistake debate as hate, man up son. Not everyone will be nice to you.
Say what? I got accused of being trash in MVC2 for asking a question. Diet answered my post, and it was done, but then some fool had to get on there beating his chest, calling MVC3 players scrubs. No way was I going to stick around for that.
And yes, my above post still stands. Stop calling people sheep because they don’t agree with you or someone you agree with.
NO
you can even have players that are actually competent on the game, but they still have traits of scrub mentality, like blaming all their loses to the fact that you are using “OP chars” or that the char has tools that re way to strong despite them not being remotely near to the top on the tier list
yeah because having mobility options is something wrong :rolleyes:
people like to put down his win on evo, if people were stupid enought to fall under so telegraphed gameply as many people like to say, then he desrved to get that far
What on Earth do you mean, “NO”?
That definition includes EXACTLY what I said (while adding more to it).
What I’m saying is this:
Jump-in HK Cr.HK is all a player needs to know to survive. That’s scrub shit.
What the definition says is this:
Scrubs think that Jump-in HK Cr.HK is all a player needs to know to survive and they’ll complain when other people don’t do it too because everything else is cheap. That’s scrub shit.
*Edit: Also, the word “scrub” in this context would be a noun, not an adjective.
because a scrub is not about someone not wanting to learn a game, you are describing a casual player, wich is not a bad thing
take me as an example, i dont fucking care about sf4 to put my time on the training mode and learn the advanced stuff of my chars and play it on tournaments (i have other games that i enjoy more and hve my whole interest for that), yet i still like to play it from time to time with my friends that love to play the game when we gather together, some of them, take the game seriously, others not, we only want to play it and have a good time, some of them without any interest on learning frame data, matchups, strategies, tech traps, wake up game or whatever, just play the game and have fun
does that make us scrubs?
no, we are only a bunch of people playing the game
now if some one started to cry about how fucking op is sagat because when he uses honda is difficulkt to get in, and start saying that the other one won because he use cheap characters, then in that case we would scrubs
casuals =/= scrubs the same way that noobs =/= scrubs
as i said you can still have competent players that train, and learn about the game with very scrubish mentality when it comes to their loses making up excuses about it
for that mvc3 should have some sort of barrier block (that depends from a metter or something) then,cuz any air unblockable is barrier blockable
And that’s fine and I love it. However, this is the MvC3 board. All discussions should be filtered through the lens of looking at MvC3, not a metadiscussion of a different clearly unrelated game.
Infractions are being actively handed out. This thread was surprisingly anger-free for a while: let’s get back to that.
Memo to all: respect right now is a one-way street for you. If they call your mom a whore, you will mash Report and I’ll take care of it. You will stick to having a cool thoughtful anger-free discussion or you won’t be here.
Meta: I would infract or ban half of what goes in the MvC2 Good Games thread. That’s a bad comparison. We’re a polite well-armed society over here. If MvC2 cats want to excel at seeming loathsome and pushing noobs away (as well as alienating decent players, good players, great players, and basically everyone that’s not a maschoist), that’s your problem. That’s not how normal people operate, and it’s not how we act around here.
Yeah. I know that. And I made that distinction in my post that you quoted and removed the distinction from. Not all new players are scrubs. Not all scrubs are new players. I know that.
HOWEVER, even a new player will make progression, however accidental it may be. New players go from Jumping HK to Sweep and learn Cr.MK xx Hadoken. New players learn and USE throws. New players learn and use Ultras. Might even use the Focus Attack.
Some people are old players AND scrubs. These are the guys who think that throws are cheap and shouldn’t be used more than once in three rounds. Or that if you throw them, they should get a free throw back. These are the people who think SRKFADCUltra is cheap unless they’re doing it. These are the people that think turtling is unbeatable.
Either way you look at it, they’re halting their own progress. Whether you’re a new player who just pushes buttons and thinks you’re amazing (scrub) or some kid whose been playing since 1992 and thinks throws are stupid (scrub), you’re a scrub.
I have friends who don’t play fighting games, but if I bring one to their house, they’ll just pick a cool looking character, spend the whole match asking how to do something and maybe do it once, never stop jumping in, never use light attacks, rarely block, etc. And I can accept that. I even go to random select and reconfigure my buttons to accommodate the skill difference to make the game more enjoyable for them. THOSE are casual players. They don’t care about the game to begin with.
so about them air dash changes…
You are right, it’s not guaranteed, and generally it doesn’t happen that way. I’m exaggerating to make a point that this game has mechanics built into it solely for that reason - someone gets owned hard, but you can press 4 buttons and omg Justin woonnnnngggggg comeback time! So exciting!
no matter how good you are, the situation I described has happened to you, and it shouldn’t. It’s not totally unfathomable that people don’t like the direction capcom is taking with the game. When capcom does things like “nerf” Phoenix by making her harder to make dark instead of actually fucking trying to work on the character, make it so you can’t block during airdashes, shit like that
Ps way to skim over the point of my whole post just to try and state out the completely obvious exaggeration
In the end saying capcom is doing the wrong things on srk makes no difference, its just a way to vent about a game that’s fun but is nowhere near it’s full potential and not heading in the right direction
I like them. Some will disagree, and they’ll be wrong (just kidding guys), but I like anything that forces actual decision making in the game is welcome to me.
i’m just showing how off topic it’s generally gone. lol
I agree, anything that stops the top tier air dash characters from doing whatever they want, when they want is a good change. It’ll force players to come up with more strategic and thoughtful set ups.
Once I saw this as a new update, I was all like
Thank you Based Marvel God! My team doesn’t even use flight.