Air Dash Nerf. Lets talk about it

[Macarratti]

I like the part where they can’t block while airdashing

[Alidfe]

Linear rushdown is dead. Teleport rushdown is still king. Morrigan and friends are in trouble unless they received significant buffs. Strider and friends are laughing. They have left/right mix ups just by being on the screen, whereas high/low shit is gonna be harder to get started. /theoryfighter

Let’s be brutally honest here for a second though:

The characters who are going to be hit the hardest by this change and “screwed over” by it, as it were, are the characters who already had trouble getting in and could get zoned in Vanilla, and already were getting screwed over royally by the near global zoning buffs.

This change is clearly aimed at requiring the high tier rushdown characters to have to either be much more measured or cover approaches more often with assists ( a similar theme when you look at phantom move and berserker slash nerfs ).

And Capcom is clearly indicating ( and has clearly indicated every since we first got our hands on Ultimate ) that they don’t really give a damn that the low and low-mid tier rushdown characters are negatively impacted by these changes, and have no intention of making changes to the system OR characters to address this.

edit:
off topic: but this reminds me of a debate going on before vanilla went out, when people were complaining that zoners couldn’t actively zone because if they pressed a button while their opponent was in a neutral stance or in a normal attack animation, they’d eat a projectile hyper on reaction.

[xesaie]

linear rushdown was barely nerfed at all, at least by this change…

only downback dash got slowed down, and most o the cast couldn’t airdash block anywyas.

Of course this is old news but its worth restating to center the discussion

[Mr.X]

The can’t block during dash hurts zipline dashes (Ammy, Spencer, Spiderman) and horizontal only dashes (Dante, Shuma) the most imo. 8 way air dashes, more or less the same imo.

If you normally call an assist, you’ll be fine.

[Sho_Nuff]

The can’t block during dash hurts zipline dashes (Ammy, Spencer, Spiderman) and horizontal only dashes (Dante, Shuma) the most imo. 8 way air dashes, more or less the same imo.

If you normally call an assist, you’ll be fine.

So doing something like calling Chris’ Gun Fire assist should be cool then, right?

[bOoGiE-bAbi]

I agree that teleport rushdown is king but if you dont cover your character they will get bodied. Morrigan got some good buffs, she will be alot better than in vanilla. Its not really a nerf if it affects everyone it just means that players are gonna have to get better overall.

[Nooneyouknow]

The can’t block during dash hurts zipline dashes (Ammy, Spencer, Spiderman) and horizontal only dashes (Dante, Shuma) the most imo. 8 way air dashes, more or less the same imo.

If you normally call an assist, you’ll be fine.

Are Spencer’s and Spidey’s ziplines even considered air dashes? If they’re just special moves, this change probably doesn’t effect them at all.

[Renhoff]

Are Spencer’s and Spidey’s ziplines even considered air dashes? If they’re just special moves, this change probably doesn’t effect them at all.

Spencer’s zipline was always vulnerable to getting hit, so that hasn’t changed. As for Spidey’s zipline, it was only vulnerable before the zipline found its target (while Spider-Man moved backwards, basically). Hopefully, Spider-Man’s zipline won’t be horribly affected by this, though I will miss abusing his standard forward webswing dash.

[Ouroborus]

When his j.S doesn’t ground bounce anymore?

The game in general is being changed in a way so that super jump height movement is less strong. They want characters without flight/air dash to be just as scary and able to catch people in the act as those that fly and air dash around. I think it’s the whole stigma of aerial characters running MVC2 that they’re trying to get rid of in MVC3. That’s why you can’t turn around during super jumps and a lot of the more ground based characters like She Hulk have moves that blow you up if you’re in the air too long.

i’m not even asking for unlimited fly, unfly like in mvc2. i just wish he wasn’t degraded to just herp derp jumping h into s.

his current flight speed is fine, but his normals are so god damn slow.

i’ll take his stomp down game and a bufferable frying pan over his ground bounce frying any day. its almost impossible to catch people with a naked frying pan. i think the last time i caught someone with that move was the first week when mvc3 was released.

[drowsy22]

Let’s be brutally honest here for a second though:

The characters who are going to be hit the hardest by this change and “screwed over” by it, as it were, are the characters who already had trouble getting in and could get zoned in Vanilla, and already were getting screwed over royally by the near global zoning buffs.

And Capcom is clearly indicating ( and has clearly indicated every since we first got our hands on Ultimate ) that they don’t really give a damn that the low and low-mid tier rushdown characters are negatively impacted by these changes, and have no intention of making changes to the system OR characters to address this.

You wouldn’t happen to have anyone in mind, would you?

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[Zentsurugi]

I think it’s fine. If you know how to use your assists to cover your approach you should be fine. Seems like rushdown is going to be a bit more technical. I’m still gonna main Nova,Rocket Raccoon (he’s gonna be GDLK. I can feel it.), and Doctor Doom though.

[Faith_From_Hell]

I realize this change buffs up-back warriors. Up-back was already powerful in Vanilla. Now it’s gone up on the tier list right above x-factor level 1. Will probably be tied with x-factor level 2 in December.

[Smashbro29]

Characters who are happy about this nerf:
Taskmaster (oh my fucking god)

YOU CAN’T RUN AWAY!!

(Yay Taskmaster!)

[Deadpoolfanssj4]

I realize this change buffs up-back warriors. Up-back was already powerful in Vanilla. Now it’s gone up on the tier list right above x-factor level 1. Will probably be tied with x-factor level 2 in December.

upback is terrible in vanilla. “please air throw me!”

edit: there are a million reasons why rushdown is too strong in vanilla. They take away 1 and everyone starts freaking out for no reason.

[RayK]

wow i literally have no clue what i’m saying right now

[Kaiten92]

The can’t block during dash hurts zipline dashes (Ammy, Spencer, Spiderman) and horizontal only dashes (Dante, Shuma) the most imo. 8 way air dashes, more or less the same imo.

If you normally call an assist, you’ll be fine.

Looks like I’ll have to work on my Stinger approaches

upback is terrible in vanilla. “please air throw me!”

edit: there are a million reasons why rushdown is too strong in vanilla. They take away 1 and everyone starts freaking out for no reason.

The problem is, there’s only oh so many times that you can get an up-back blocker with air throws before they catch on and tech. And calling out an assist to lock them down in the corner against someone like Ryu is asking to have your assist killed.

[Faith_From_Hell]

upback is terrible in vanilla. “please air throw me!”

edit: there are a million reasons why rushdown is too strong in vanilla. They take away 1 and everyone starts freaking out for no reason.

My post wasn’t meant to be taken seriously.

[Nooneyouknow]

Well, by the demonstration in Max’s video, Morrigan really has no ground dash at all. This change pretty much fucks her over good.

[NickRocks]

i dont see what the problem with wanting to be rewarded for higher execution combos.

[scytheavatar]

Well, by the demonstration in Max’s video, Morrigan really has no ground dash at all. This change pretty much fucks her over good.

I’ll just repost what someone commented in the eventhubs article:

I beg to differ, Morrigan’s best air mobility -in my opinion anyway- actually comes from while she’s in flight mode from which she can’t block in the first place.

So how do we remedy her inability to block from an air dash in UMvC3? We activate flight mode and then air dash. Why? Because if the opponent looks like they’re about to hit you, simply end flight mode and block; instant pseudo air dash block-cancelling. It takes quick reflexes and good prediction skills, but it pays off.

I don’t get why people use her ‘ground’ dashes in the first place as, quite frankly, they suck. Her air dashes are faster and can be cancelled at any time via flight and activating flight mode while on the ground allows for quicker high-low games than dashing foward with her.

People also seem to not realize she can triangle dash via ‘down’ air dash cancelled into Shell Kick at the lowest point of the jump. The best part? The moment she touches the ground she can block. Again, it takes some practice, but being able to move across the screen in a single triangle dash (yes, her’s moves her that far if done properly) pays off. This is just the tip of the iceberg in terms of Morrigan’s movement options.

Like you said you don’t play Morrigan, so this is more or less for the other people who don’t realize there will be plenty of ways to make her air-dashes safe (outside of assists).

All in all the only people that are really going to have trouble with Morrigan (and other characters with air dashes) in UMvC3 are the people who think air dashing and pressing buttons is a viable strategy. She won’t be the best character by any means, but I think with her buffs and smart use of her movement options she’ll actually be better in UMvC3.