I standing fierce the shit out of lariats. I also time balls to hit recovery, cause thats how I roll.
I never ever jump at zangief.
Its just, the other day, I was playing and felt like seeing what would happen, and amazingly the mp beat the lariat.
I consider though, that the risk reward isnt good enough, cuz if my spacing is wrong even a bit off (as i see by ves’s problems) then blanka gets blown up.
Nope, jumping is really really bad against gief, hence i didnt realize that mp was as good as everyone said. Regardless, kinda a moot point because jumping is stupid
yeah mp is a good safejump option though cause if the spacing is off you can still beat lariat
Lol, I don’t think I jump enough.
I tend to avoid safejumping against gief bc if they do EX 360 they pretty much blow the safejump outta the water.
I stay away from grab characters, meeesaaa no likey dem.
I just outfootsie like a wild savage, if they dont have ex meter (or ultra), I wake up electricity setups all day.
For spacing the jump mp to beat lariat, I like these setups:
- backthrow > jump mp
- forward throw > hp ball > jump mp
I agree with Josh P that you don’t depend on upball in this match. I feel I’m on point when I AA with nj.hp consistently.
However, I tend not to do wakeup elec against Gief because i hate being grabed out of elec by ex grab. Is my timming off?
All in all I enjoy playing the match though because it makes you play tight footsies. The first one to crack usually loses.
Wakeup electricity is terrible, stop doing it in general.
Not on my wakeup, on opponents wakeup.
Some can backdash outta it so its not a good idea (lookin at you rose)
But larger characters especially, I can get like 5 or 6 chips. I just make sure its at a time when they cant do anything about it. Misa love to chip damage with elec.
yeah i meant in his wakeup as well… ever happened that they ex grab you out of it?
ex grab will beat it, bc ex 360 is invincible, hence i said when they DONT have ex meter , they = zangief
Yang’s crouch tech gets under st.jab.
That kind of sucks. that makes cr.teching really good for him.
Does that mean cr.mk, st.lp on block loses to it? 
Yes, thats what I’m saying.
• cr.LK from 30 damage to 20, upward extended hurtbox
Hopefully this stops being an issue in 2012.
yeah probably
yun’s cr lk is even worse, ducks under most jump attacks, especially blanka crossup mk. its getting fixed though thankfully
after playing more…
i’m starting to feel Yang is tougher to deal with compared to Yun…
reasons are… the following
- Yang’s got longer range for normals especially, c.MK
- Mantis slashes are nearly as annoying as fei’s rekka without as much push back… (which matters…)… but now you gotta deal with the FADC that gives retarded amount of frame advantage that really forces you to guess
- his ultra 2 can punish more stuff and can OS your ex-rainbow escape
- His Palm is much better than Yun’s at least against Blanka… it covers yang more to the point where it can beat slide much easier compared to Yun’s
- his ex dash makes him harder to pin down… especially on wakeup
Although his dive kicks are weaker compared to Yun’s, after playing more i’m not exactly losing because of dive kicks as much…
-LAU
i just was battling against a gief and i tried to beat his lariat. it either traded and then i got green hand or i was blown out of the sky. i used jMK all the time. then i read about using MP and in the training room i used blanka as a dummy. i made him jumpin with jMP and i tried to beat with both versions of lariat. mostly blanka won… even though i knew the jump was coming, mp screwed about the lariat which is really nice.
so my question is: in a match against gief, is jMP truly the better option to jMK? also, which ultra is the better option?
Definately, but you have to be spot on with your spacing or it can be beat too.
Yeah I’ve murdered some 3k giefs with j.mp, I was amazed with how persistant they were with tyring lariet anti-air.
Although if it trades… juggle ex green hand hurts. I prefer j.mp, fs.lp xx ex.elec over ball spamming ala scrublanka.
Spacing is very important. I never get a chance to ultra a gief but I’d go for u1, for wakeup insurance.
Try rainbow ball against lariet in training, beats it everytime too… although I’ve not had the courage to try it online yet. Focus dash gief is nasty.