He means don’t COD when your initial poke is blocked or just randomly. IMO while still punishable if anticipated, lk wheel kick… wait, he said it already nevermind.
-only COD as part of a combo
Umm…his Akuma is actually better than me…he wasnt playing when i was playing him… if u dont believe me… send him an invite and play him… it’s shinn akira …
He’s seriously good… and the stuff about his rank…well…u’re wrong about dat…send him an invite… i told him not to joke around in the matches cuz i was gonna post them on SRK and utube…but he kepts playing around…
Crossup, step kick, cr.mp/mk pokes, and cr.lp -> lp TT tick throw, to name a few things.
I never said you shouldn’t wheel kick at all. Just don’t treat it like it’s safe, because it’s not at all.
His execution was good, but the fact that he let you jump in at him for free is crazy stupid. If he is just playing around, he’s encouraging bad habits for you.
I agree 100% with that one…yea
Abel has more than those moves. Please tell me you’re not one of those players that thinks special moves are all you need to win, are you? Normals should be the bulk of your damage, specials are there for combos and punishes, and for specific situations.
if you have bad reaction time… and infact claim to have horrible reaction time… then you wouldnt be able to cancel a 2 hit popup that lasts about 8 frames
half the time us slightly below average players throw crouching fierce we dont “know” its going to land and by the time we react when we do the opponent is already in the air.
as for practice… I have loads of playtime. and loads of practice time… im laid off, wtf else am i going to do with my time?
I am pretty much just suggesting things that work for people with my talent set.
OBVIOUSLY the best thing to do would be pop up, roll, first hit of Popup canceled to juggle, reset with mp roll Crouching medium punch into medium punch rekka…
ya, not all of us are at that level… and if you are then you cant comment on us who have mere problems landing jab falling sky after popup.
I practice fierce punch falling sky all day in the training room … it only comes out by accident when done online. i know it comes out alot in my videos but i am just as shocked when it comes out as my opponent.
some things are safe, others are more reliable. jab punch after pop up is SAFE and easy.
fierce punch falling sky canceled to after the falling sky is harder to pull off and does slightly more damage, if you mess up the timing your either going to only hit your opponent once then be standing over him with your fist launched in the air for a falling sky… or… you can do it a frame late and get nothing at all put a pop up.
same goes for the roll. I know its better to build meter and timing. but it involves more moves and more risk for error.
And you’re never going to get to that level unless you start trying to do the harder moves. The more you do the lp FS or EX FS because its easier, the more it gets ingrained into your muscle memory. Try the harder moves, get practice in real game situations. Whats the worst thing that happens? You lose a round?
the startup is 8 frames, the move itself lasts ages. stop putting your foot in your mouth, practice, and don’t complain about BnBs.
ok… so how many of those frames do we have to cancel?
i never called myself a guru of SF4 or a great player. how is that putting my foot in my mouth, i was grabing a number out of the air. the fact that you KNOW how many frames per second one move on one charachter has until it becomes active … umm ya average person dosent know that info. so your not average,
I on the other hand AM… slightly below average. which is why i speak to the other players around my skillset.
and YES you can get better than slightly below average by doing safer moves.
popup + fail does 110 damage
pop up rekka does 140 (REALLY SAFE)
pop up jab falling sky 250 damage
popup with EX falling sky (safe and easy) 270 damage
popup cancel into fierce falling sky 270…
popup ROLL fierce falling sky… STILL 270
pop up EX wheel kick 287 =)
only thing that separates EX from cancel into fierce it is 50 points of stun and a whole lot of time. (perhaps one of the smarter advanced technical players can let us all know what the gap in framed per sec it is from when you can perform EX falling sky after you have done a pop up)
i have over 100 hours spent playing SF4 not a ton like some advanced players but not new to the game. im slightly below average like I state.
but i wouldnt think anyone would disagree with me that you can wait a whole half second AFTER you have connected with fierce pop up and still grab someone out of the sky with EX falling sky.
there is ZERO gap between popup and fierce falling sky… in fact you have to cancel into it. small window… which is after the first hit but before the person is airborne leaving abels standing frame.
if I was pro, i would tell other intermediates to get this down pat because its great damage. but i am slightly below average and am telling other slightly below average and novice players… DO THE JAB AND EX FALLING SKY until such time that your knowledge of frames, time and reaction advance to the point where you can start to combo/cancel into fierce falling sky.
I wouldnt send my son out on a sports bike . I would put him on a bike with training wheels and tell him to ride around the black top in the back yard. your putting your son on a trick bike and telling him the only way to ever be good at riding a bike is to start doing rail slides now!!!
i dunno why this is even a huge debate?
Nobody is debating that your options are, in fact, easier to perform. Everyone is commenting on the fact that you are pushing these as reasonable options, when people should be striving to perform the better pop-up finisher.
You seem content with your skill level and you keep calling yourself below average. How do you ever expect to get beyond that if you continue to utilize the below average combos and finishers? Stop wallowing in self pity and get better.
im a realist. i know my skill level. i dont need to thumb and beat my chest or chastise others to make myself feel falsely superior.
with that being said… if you agree that it is SAFER and EASIER to perform then why is it even a debate as to which novice and slightly below average and sometimes even AVERAGE players should be using?
ITS THE SAME DAMAGE in one case and 20 damage in the other… and it will ALWAYS connect.
meh… someone bad reped me for this thread??? 0_O?
it’s not a small window at all dude. honestly you can do it hella slow and still cancel the 2nd hit.
my problem i simply that you are sort of annoying, new people reading this might be like “oh but he doesnt learn it why should I.” That sucks.
I can understand stuff like leaving f+mk xx dash st.hp for a while but cr.fp falling sky is cake.
Anyways do you man, but don’t come on here preaching these fisher price combos.
This has nothing to do with beating of chests and trying to feel superior. Its the point that this is supposed to be a forum where people come to view and possibly discuss the best possible strategies and options in given situations.
As for it being a safer and easier option and why not do it if you aren’t that good… I’ve already stated and so have others, that you don’t get better by taking the easy out. I personally have execution problems with this very combo, but I’m sure as hell not getting better at it by not trying.
after a cr.fp or “pop up” if you will never do jab falling sky. if you arent going to roll then do falling sky just do cr.fp “pop up” cancel the 2nd hit into fierce falling sky. you list that you do cr.fp into jab falling sky, replace the jab one with fierce and thats that. reason why you dont use jab or ex version? jab does less damage (of course), ex waste meter and does the same damage as fierce, but fierce is better because it does more stun i think. too much reading, i only read the part where you were listing combo’s and the damage. lol
thing is busta, hes actually letting the opponent fly instead of canceling. thats why he can still grab em with lp fk.
oh lol, whats the point of that then? just cancel the 2nd hit of cr.fp into falling sky. its easy and you should be able to do it in training mode after a few mins. now that i re read the post you seem like cr.fp into falling sky is hard. canceling that move is not hard at all, it is one of the easiest things you can do with abel imho. ive always been an execution based type of player i guess (since i used yun in 3s) so maybe i dont think this stuff is hard but really this isnt as hard as you think. you have plenty of time to react what to do next, first you hear both hits, you see both hits you have enough time to react with your next move.
You don’t even have to confirm the second hit.
Kraiden,
Do cr.hp, if the first hit lands, start cancelling into fp falling sky. Don’t mash it, just try it a few times until you get the timing down. You have plenty of time to do the input. Even in the rare situation that the second hit doesn’t land, nothing will happen (as long as you’re not just mashing for the next few seconds) because you don’t have anything to cancel from anymore.
Anyway, in case everyone forgot. This is the Match Video thread. So start posting some vids, bitches.
I agree with Machina, more vids!
Also, Falling sky > roll > cr.MP (Or S.HP, cr.HP, etc.) > roll > Fierce TT catches people off guard, looks really wicked aswell
lol aight just to stay on topic.
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its kinda old(2-3 weeks back? i think) and im really inexperienced against rose (not an excuse, just telling)
WTH? Inexperienced? You did damn good. Man if that’s an inexperienced performance in your book I’d hate to see how the match would’ve turned out if you knew the match up, yeesh. If anything that bitch was inexperienced against Abel lol.