yun has extra priority yes, but i dont see how it was possible for it to beat a wakeup super, clean. after the 1st hit, maybe, but meaty gj short stopping shippu clean? i dont think so, maybe your eyes were playing tricks on you. elaborate.
Im pretty sure genei jin doesnt beat wakeup shippu. I know that it trades with shippuâŚive seen ppl try to escape genei jin using Shippu and it trades. But on wakeup? Shippu > genei.
Iâm ALSO actually wondering how Sean could be better than Q!!! I thought Sean was determined to be the worst. Q is slow and has no low buffers (is that correct?), but other than that, he doesnât have disadvantages, compared to Sean. Sean canât do damage w/o super, and his specials suck along the lines of Danâs. He just has some good normals. Q has more tricks too, as far as I can tell. 'DAMN: I think they told me the name of this guy who used Q last Friday night at FFA. I only beat him once w/ my LAMEASS Makoto. I was also having trouble getting the damn sticks to work, but, regardlessâŚhe was like a damn mindreader GRRRRRRRR hahaâŚ
Q does, in fact, have huge disadvantages. His biggest one is probably how easily he is locked down. Most characters can push him into the corner fairly easily, and once heâs there there is precious little he can do to get out; he basically has to try to karathrow the opponent into the corner or hope for the opponent to mess up or to get a beneficial parry. Heâs also slow, has low mobility, gets eaten by crossups, has no options on wakeup, no dependable antiair, and some useless-ass normals. When he can land a hit, he does a lot of damage, and he takes damage well, but itâs very hard/risky to taunt against some opponents, especially when they have meter.
Get Q in the corner with an Akuma rushdown, heâs not going to get any breathing room for taunts, hell heâs gonna have a hard time escaping period. At least Sean has decent normals/wakeup EX Dragon. Wakeup parry for Q is honestly the best he can hope for.
If Q is played right he is far from worst character in the game. His throws are great and he can deal heavy damage. In addition with players who have good parrying skills he becomes a monster. Watch the video where Kurudas (Sp?) mops up many middle tier characters who are supposedly a lot better. In fact some of the matches were completely one sided in Qâs favor. Now Sean is the worst player. There is no argument for him.
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Given fact: any character in the hands of someone who knows how to parry becomes a monster. If youâre thinking like that, why donât you pick Hugo & parry everything into SA1? Hugo does WAY more damage than Q. Same shit, different character.
Iâd like to mention that Q falls victim to just about every combo in the game and THEN some. Not a good quality to have.
Sean has his shoto dash & good normals. His SAâs are also really useful- SA1 has tiny bar for good damage, SA2 beats out Ryuâs SA2, and SA3 is hit-confirmable off a bunch of stuff, and has 3 frame startup, IIRC. Sean is in no way a bad character. Itâs just that gets grouped /w Ken, Ryu & Akuma, who are much more effective.
I think we need to create a sticky thread that sayS âWHY SEAN IS (technically) BETTER THAN Qâ so this question stops being asked. Wait. Wasnât it asked earlier in this thread ALREADY???
well playing Q means u know how to fight ALL the characters in the game including akuma which IS Qs hardest fight⌠but remember your playing 3s, theres no gaurd break and most of the time the akuma ur fighting will start to lose his patience from u blocking hurricane kicks etc, so when ever u get a tech throw that can start the match over giving u a chance to do some damageâŚ
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Yeah i think Q was designed this way tho. doing the 3 taunts early on in the round makes up for some of his âoffâ play style. 1 good thing: sa1 is cool as it has fast start up and you can cancel off a dash punch. :encore:
i know you can screw him over with corner combos with oro (ex tenguâŚoh shit!) and good combos when stunned.
but 3 taunts + damage scaling = minimal damage.
Check out the SBO qualifiers list. Akuma is the most popular character so far.
No, none of the matches were in Qâs favor, Kuroda is just an awesome player. Donât mistake the quality of the player for the quality of the character. Heâs an excellent player, and can make even Q look usable, but that doesnât mean that Q is good, it means that Kuroda is good at using Q. Q CAN deal damage, yes, but he rarely has any safe way of landing it. Every other character in the game has safer ways of damaging the opponent.
And there certainly is an argument for Sean, at least for him not being the worst in the game. As has already been said several times, Sean has a nice set of normal attacks, has the best dash in the game, can hit confirm into super from both standing and crouching, and can attack safely with quite a few of his normals. His supers are pretty good, he can deal with crossovers better than Q can, he doesnât get locked down as easily, and he has better mobility.
And while itâs true that a three-taunt Q takes very little damage, against many characters itâs always difficult to taunt and against most itâs difficult when the opponent has super. Take Akuma as an example of the first. His rushdown is sick against Q, and he can keep doing most of it all day without fearing much repercussion. Q doesnât have time to taunt or even build much meter. Or take Dudley. If he has enough meter for an EX machine gun punch, itâs NEVER safe to taunt unless youâve just hit him with a super or a capture and deadly blow. An example of the second is Chun Li. Without meter, she still outprioritizes the crap out of Q, but Q has time to taunt and she canât deal big damage even if she catches him. With meter, itâs retarded to try a taunt since the Chun will be in Qâs face and never more than a dash --> low forward --> SAII away. The only character Q is (more or less) guaranteed to get his taunts in against is Hugo, and maybe you can put Sean in there. Anyway, the point is that itâs foolish to think that his taunts make him a tourney-worthy character. Theyâre often too hard to get out against most opponents, and even when he has them, he still doesnât have effective means of dealing with a lot of the tricks a lot of the characters have. Being able to take damage and deal damage doesnât matter if you canât consistently get in position to dish any out.
Q has guaranteed taunting against:
Sean
Chun without meter
Twelve
Remy
Hugo
Everyone else can either poke him from across the screen too quickly to get a âlegitâ (screen shaking) taunt off or (B) hit/combo him too hard for the taunt to be worth the trade.
Though, if someone (shotos mostly) is dumb enough to throw a regular fireball from midscreen or further, you can just taunt anyway and take one to the face. Taking the hit saves you from recovery time.
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Donât get me wrong. Q is downright ackward, but thatâs what makes him hard to play against. If Q dishes out the damage first while getting his taunts in then his opponent is in rush to get Qâs health down. Perfect example is the Kurudaâs Q against that Ryu, all Q had to do was sit there and let time run out. Obviously many characters are better than others but I think this whole tier thing is getting a little exaggerated. What it comes down to is a playerâs ability to adjust to his oppenent. The Remy in that video looked equal if not better than that chun. Remember the Makato that ran through like 4 characters just to get beat by Urien (Cooperation cup). The player capabality has preference over tier.
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Which totally negates your argument about Q being a good character.
3s and st tiers r different. the tiers in st r rigid while the tiers in 3s r a hell of a lot looser. thats why u can see Q be played so well because thats what THE CHARACTER is capable of.
i think a good tier list that reflects how loose this game is would beâŚ
top tier
ken
chun
yun
mid tier to low tier
everyone else
because seriously speaking if a player like kuruda knows his match ups well enough then not much can stop him outside of the top 3.
psychic hugo can
Nah, Q will still die to Makoto, Urien, Dudley, Akuma, OroâŚetc. Too mny bad match ups.
But Sean is still the worst.
TAKE THAT BACK
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even Pink Sean?
LOLOL
The pink one is a glitch