3rd strike tier list

sean isnt that bad and i stick to that shit. why are there no good japanese seans? idk but i still tier sean above Q. He has shoto tick game or w/e good dash. c.mk xx dp i seriously dont think hes that bad. also ibuki is clearly better than remy for sure, elena idk. remy sucks alot i think, but I do tier remy above hugo. here are my tiers broken the fuck down.

Top
Chun, Ken, Yun

Just under top (higher than high mid)
Makoto, Urien

High mid
Dudley Yang Akuma Oro

Mid
Ryu Ibuki Elena Necro Alex

Low mid
Hugo, Remy

Shit
12, sean, q

Sean has a lot more mobility than Q and I think that is important.

But why play Sean when you can play Akuma or Ryu?

This is true. I canā€™t just of a move that projects itself more.

epsilonā€™s list is the one I agree with so far. The game just has too much grey area to divide characters up by specific numbers.

hereā€™s mine

//*/ = same tier


  1. chun/ken/yun

  2. makoto/urien


  1. yang/akuma/dudley/oro/necro

3.5: ryu

  1. ibuki/elena/remy/alex/hugo

  1. 12/Q/sean

I donā€™t care what people say I think Q is pretty damn goodā€¦ heā€™s just way harder to pick upā€¦ same with 12 heā€™s hard as hell to pick up cuz of constant air dashingā€¦ I donā€™t play randomness with Qā€¦ I play Q more baiting and pockingā€¦ If Q didnt have a dash punch then I would have never picked him up its one of the best specials in the gameā€¦ safe, range fast, and cancel to superā€¦ with q u can bait after dash punch, watch your opponent and see what he does after a dash punchā€¦ I mean if your fighting ryu and u do a dash punch the only option he has after a dash punch is sit there or low attack cuz thats the only thing he has to reach youā€¦ to play with Q is to know all the strong and weak points of all the characters especially the ones that are used the most

I take advantage of parries and red parriesā€¦ like i said if u can block really good high low, tech throws and have fast reflexes then q will benefitā€¦ Im a hugo player and i know how it feels to have somebody lock you down but all u have to do is blockā€¦ its more to it but anti Qā€™s wonā€™t under stand just come to tx and let us own you hehe

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yea Q would so be mid tier if players worked to only land taunts before doing anything else. it makes the opponent come after him, i dont know why more players dont do this. its like having an assist that the players decide to not fully embrace.

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every character in the game is quite playable, and I fully agree that a good player can win with Q.
That doesnā€™t make him a good character.
The ā€œafter dash punchā€ baits donā€™t work anymore here, they know itā€™s safeā€¦ if the donā€™t parry the dash punch (which is not unlikely) they can just wait after blocking it. What can Q do there? a poke, another dash punch (risky), try to c&db -> but it has slow startup and the can jump out of it on reaction.
Iā€™m talking about good players of course, there are people who fall for Qā€™s baiting game but thatā€™s not the point.
You talk about knowing the weak points of all characters, having good reflexes and taking advantage of the parriesā€¦ yeah thatā€™s good, but every other character can take advantage on those things too, and most of the cast does that better than Q.

Most people think that beating a low tier with a top tier is easy. This is plain wrong in most cases, if the low tier player is a good player, the top-tier player would still have to give everything he can, play careful and with all tbe possible tools. Unless he does that, tiering means nothing.
Having the advantage in a match doesnā€™t mean you can play dumb and still win, and playing a low tier doesnā€™t mean an automatic loss.
Still, Q is weak. Kuroda defeating KOā€™s Yun in a tournament wonā€™t change that.

Q is trash. In order to win, the opponent has to simply be outplayed at every step. It is unrealistic to base your game around this.

Why donā€™t players work on getting taunts out immediately? Good Q players do not do this recklessly, because the hit tradeoff isnā€™t always worth it. Itā€™s a bad strategy against most characters, anyone with experience knows this. Itā€™s fine against meterless Chun Li, and a few others; itā€™s a bad idea against Ken, for example, who can easily double-DP Q at a momentā€™s notice. A lot of good players spend time right up in Qā€™s face- thereā€™s no time to taunt.

Sean has nice basic fundamentals, for someone whoā€™s low tier. All depends on the player. Good footsies = Good Sean player. Good footsies ALSO = (possibly) worthless Q players.

Great shoto dash, punish whiffs with cr. mk xx super, shortshort super on reaction, OKAY (but SHIT damage) pokes, basic fundamental tick throws, etc.

No oneā€™s worse than twelve though.

MLG Frisco. Best of 3, 50 dollars per match. My Twelve vs your WHOEVER.

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WOW, Emphy, you NEED to goā€¦ that is just likeā€¦ FREE MONEY. 18 x 50 dollarsā€¦ 19 x 50 if you play 12 v 12 too.

OMG, youā€™ve never heard of C-Royd???

apparently theyā€™ve never heard of C-Royd, nor of PINK Sean

enough of your worthless challenges that you never live up to.

as to your earlier posts, no one plays sean because ken has seanā€™s entire movelist + better. there is no reason to play sean except for humilation.

and the only reason mention your name with 12, is because you are always touting yourself as the (self-proclaimed) best 12/necro/scrub. if anything, youā€™re just a forum whore.

place in a tourney with your low tier homies, and then maybe youā€™ll earn an ounce of respect from decent players. there, iā€™ve said it.

Ack. My feeling.

I got into a car accident and couldnā€™t make it to Evo. SO SOLLY CHOLLY.

I know for a fact this is an event Iā€™ll be at, and I know Iā€™m good. I donā€™t ALWAYS TOUT MYSELF as anything, except maybe an obsessive video maker. Even that isnā€™t exactly unfounded.

N - What the fuck is this about?

Just so you guys know

The winner of this very interesting and important debate is going to get laid by lots of hot chicks.

They dig that kind of stuff.

Paul is real cool guy, u musta really pissed him off lol. :confused:

Yeah, the big vein on his forehead looks like itā€™ll pop any second now :mad: :clap:

reason enough for me.

and wtf is with this ā€œwhere are all the good sean players atā€ thing? Was this guy at the last two evoā€™s where everyone saw me own up at Cal Poly and FFA? Iā€™m not dissing him or anything. Iā€™m just saying, good Sean players exist. But i only use the pink one. He does more damage.

Seanā€™s SA1 does shit damage? For the meter that it costs, it does amazing damage.

I was talking to Archer, and he said Sean has a floatier (slower) jump then the rest of the Shotos, is this true?