I’m perfectly fine with letting Ellsbury walk. The Yankees seem to be more interested in hurting the Sox rather than bolstering their own lineup. Why? I have absolutely no clue. I don’t even think they needed to overpay so much to get Ellsbury in New York. Ellsbury has never been that sentimental about staying in Boston. He got his rings, they probably could’ve cut that contract a bit and still got him there.
sooo…you overpay ellsbury but cant bring up the stacks for robinson cano
lol yankees
damn cano set for 50 lifetimes with that decade deal
get that money nigga
Guess if you’re gonna join a team that’s not headed anywhere you might as well get paid for it.
At least until we Cliff Lee him and trade him to a contender mid-season.
Okay, so we don’t have to worry about Cano anymore, he’s irrelevant for the next decade.
So what was I incorrect about, exactly?
- Developing a right fielder this one time doesn’t mean they can develop talent. It also certainly doesn’t mean they don’t use free agency as a crutch for their shitty farm system. If you look at the Red Sox, the backbone of their team for years and years now has been homegrown talent. Jacoby Ellsbury, Dustin Pedroia, Kevin Youkilis, David Ortiz, Jon Lester and Clay Buchholz were most of what got the Sox their three titles. The only major free agent signing that contributed to a World Series win was Manny Ramirez.
- I have no idea what you’re taking issue with. It’s kind of the reason they can do 1 and 3.
- It doesn’t matter who is ultimately pulling the trigger. The bottom line is that a team like the Mariners, if Cano blows out his knee, are up shit creek for the next seven years from a contract going sideways. The Yankees sign Ellsbury and, if he ends up making them burn 20 mil a year after two semi-productive seasons, the front office says “whatever, I guess we’ll just have to sign somebody else” and then they wash their hands of any responsibility by saying “well, he just couldn’t the handle of playing for the Yankees, it’s not that we made a bad decision.”
OK so both the Yankees and Sox, in their past title runs, had major players that were home grown. Posada, Petitte, Jeter, Mo, etc on the Yankees, some of the people you listed on the Sox. Pretty sure Ortiz started on the Twins tho? Well screw pretty sure, you Red Sox fans are new at this so I’ll just…
Minor Leagues
Ortiz graduated from Estudia Espallat High School in the Dominican Republic and in 1992 he was signed by the Seattle Mariners, who listed him as “David Arias”. He played for the Wisconsin Timber Rattlers, a Mariners farm team, until 1996, when he was traded to the Minnesota Twins as the player to be named later in an earlier transaction for Dave Hollins. When he arrived in Minnesota, he informed the team that he preferred to be listed as "David Ortiz."
Minnesota Twins (1997–2002)
Ortiz made his Major League debut for the Twins on September 2, 1997. For several years, he split playing time between the Twins and their minor league affiliate in Connecticut, the New Britain Rock Cats playing at first base and as a DH. Ortiz battled a series of injuries and inconsistency both in the field and at the plate. Ortiz suffered wrist injuries in both 1998 and 2001. In early 2002, he continued to experience knee problems that lingered with him throughout the season, despite hitting 32 doubles, 20 home runs and 75 runs batted in (RBIs) in 125 games. He was released by the Twins after the season. In parts of 6 seasons totaling 455 games with the Twins, Ortiz hit 58 home runs and 238 RBIs.[3]
Boston Red Sox (2003–present)
Buncha stuff.
So I mean, if you wanna count that as “coming up through the organization” then fuckin BELIEVE me I can add to my list too. One of which has won rings with the Yankees as both player and manager, a simple guess as to who that is. Yknow, if you’ve followed baseball before 2004 at all that is.
I thought after seeing A-Rod and Pujols contracts that teams would stop giving 10 year contracts to 30 year old players. Seattle fans can’t be too happy about this.
Seattle is already football crazy, this isn’t going to make fans pull out their wallets for season tickets any time soon. They’d rather go watch SOCCER than go see the Mariners play lol.
Sounders win games and haven’t missed the MLS playoffs during their tenure. I know I’d pay to see them instead of the M’s.
I wonder if Clay Bennett would be interested in a franchise trade. Ms for Sonics.
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Ortiz came to the Sox ten years ago at age 28 after five on-again-off-again years with the Twins. He didn’t start putting up numbers until he was groomed in Boston. No denying that.
Either way, no matter how much you bitch and moan if somebody points it out, the Yankees are carried year in and year out by their high-dollar free agent signings, and they make those signings because they have a shitty farm system. The catcher situation illustrated this perfectly.
The wheels and doors come off on Posada. Oh, no replacement in the minors. Big surprise. Whatever. Scoop up Russel Martin for $6 million. Oh, we have a decent catcher in the minors in Jesus Montero but can’t actually build him up because the Yankees are a quagmire for prospects. Dump him off on somebody else. Oh, Russel Martin didn’t turn to shit? Well, sign him for $7 million and wait for McCann to become a free agent so we can throw $15+ million at him. Ok, we got McCann, we’re good for the next five years. If not, he was clearly mentally weak and incapable of handling the pressures of playing for the Yankees, because we clearly don’t make mistakes.
That’s literally the Yankees’ entire front office strategy. Sign stopgap after stopgap until a big name free agent pops up and then overpay them. Disregard farm system. Disregard market value.
Like I said, if Cano proves a bust for the Marlins, that’s GG on them for the next 6 seasons. Even with the Sox, they get brutalized by shitty free agent signings like Daisuke Matsuzaka and Carl Crawford.
The Yankees use money as a crutch for the fact that they can’t actually build a baseball team. You can either accept that fact and laugh at the 29 paupers in MLB or you can continue being a douche.
After spending some time in Korea, I’ve gotta tell you that Asia is huge on MLB. In Japan, the Mariners are by far the biggest team, even without Ichiro. Seattle is emotionally checked out on the Mariners, but getting some wins will likely help in Japan. Though they won’t be able to sustain their popularity without a legit Japanese player.
maxx thank you for being the reasonable sawx fan in this thread
We could use him right now lol, this other guy, I can’t…
Fuck this part in particular, Montero was a poor fucking defensive catcher with a big bat, and we’re going to blame that on the Yankees front office? You are a true hater, and coming from another huge baseball market that throws cash around at leisure no less.
LOL too true. WTF is a “Sounder”.
What if Seattle had a b-ball team again in the next 10 years? It’d probably be Seahawks > NBA team = Sounders >>> Mariners :lol:
I get free M’s ticket and I go to about maybe 5 games a year max. On the other hand I have to stab a mother ***** to even sniff Seahawks tickets.
Sounders game are fun even if you’re not into soccer just because it feels like a college game.
lol…jay z gettin fools paid. props to cano…fuck everyone else involved lol.
the sound of duckboats, dont make us all insane.
I miss the SuperSonics 
I also miss Ken Griffey Jr
That’s a shame…Prior was a beast while with the Cubs.
So…good at one thing and bad at another isn’t decent?
Also, he’s a prospect. Blame the Yankees front office for not having the farm system to build on his skillset.
LOL your hate is unreal, as if he’s the only prospect in the majors with holes in his game that couldn’t be mended. By your approximation, everyone’s farm system is a piece of shit because not every prospect with upsides can be worthy of being a starter. After all, if their farm system was any good, they’d just FIX him, they’d just DEVELOP him and he’d get better for sure!
Of course that only applies to the Yankees farm system for you, because you’re a blind jealous ass hater.
See, you can’t say “couldn’t be mended” with Montero. Dude is just 24 years old, it’s not like he’s past the developmental stage of his career. You can, however, say they “couldn’t be mended by the Yankees because they don’t have the proper staff, skills or facilities to actually develop prospects”, which is precisely what I’m saying.
And where are you getting this idea that I’m saying the Yankees suck because they couldn’t develop Montero? I’m not even brushing off Montero. I’m saying the Yankees can’t develop anybody. The evidence of this is the fact that they are going to be fielding precisely two home-grown starters next season in Brett Gardner (who isn’t elite) and Derek Jeter (who shows the Yankees had a good farm system 20 years ago).
Every single other player was scooped up from somewhere else.
You’re just sounding like a stereotypical dumb Yankees fan, blaming the players rather than acknowledging that the team makes mistakes frequently, which is why they haven’t turned their comically large payroll into consistent World Series contention.