Zangief Strategy/Match-up Thread

Question: What is the best thing to do at people who spam neutral jump? I cants seeems to punish them

With who…

Shotos/Clones except Akuma - s.RH
Chun-li - smp trades if timed well, if her timing on jumping up while close to you is bad, c.mp, s.fp beats it clean 8/10 times, and c.fp works great in the corner. *ponders c.fp fadc fwd into c.lk and o-s options…she should do the in the air fall back animation long enough for the c.lk to tag or force a block shrug I’ll try it out when I finally put SF4 back in.
Honda - s.lp, s.fp trades, c.lariat works if they aren’t careful…bu the timing is tight, I prefer d/f rh…your low enough to the ground that his palms miss.
Seth - c.lariat
Bison - c.lariat

shrug wo in particular were you looking for

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or where/when are they neutral jumping?

Honda wins over Gief 6-4 in my opinion. I’m thinking of even 7-3.

Naw…def not 7-3. I see 5-5 or 5.5-4.5 nothing more. Turtle Honda who knows Honda’s normals is one destructive force for Gief…not even talking nj whores. Between hands chip, baited attacks into headbutt, and crazy space coverage with fierce attacks, its defiantly not 7-3. Its almost like fighting a fast dhalsim with more chip. Granted, most Honda’s don’t know the match up or are just nj whores…but you’ll hit a nasty wall against good ones - not saying impossible or anything…but 7-3 - even 6-4 implies its an almost “free” match…and its just not.

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so what do you do vs good hondas? How do you get in/do damage?

Take a look at this link, scroll down and look at the results from top players

http://streetfighterdojo.com/sf4/matchups/ehonda_vs_zangief.html

Honda is one of my toughest matchups :slight_smile:

yea, i’ve studied alot of honda vs gief vids. The more recent vids have honda basically dominating the match (Akimo vs Zangitan in Gods Garden for example).

Looks like Zangitan general tries to bait honda to not poke, then walk up lp spd, and cr.lk OS ex glove for the most part to get damage in. Plus he’s caught the honda player sleeping a few times and got some free jump ins.

Maybe i’m telegraphing my jumps, but I cannot jump on Honda at all.

LOL I just realized I misread what you posted and thought you were sayign the match was 7-3 for GIEF not honda >_<

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I’m telling you, the nastiest weapon Honda has against Gief is nonstop hands pressure. lp canceled into hands is unpunishable, and if spaced properly while in crouch guard turtle for ex-headbutt to keep Gief grounded, it’s disgusting.

Gief’s crossups work wonders against someone who doesn’t know the correct timing on ex-sumo wakes for auto-correcting double hit + knockdown with escape advantage.

Even if you psychic ex-banishing flat the lp cancel into hands, the hands cancels into block. It’s the only char with an auto-block in the game. I’ve tested it with Combo Sugah Shane and Mr. SNK, (SNK REFUSED to believe it was an auto-block till he tried it) and while holding forward for the lp cancel into hands, it auto blocked the ex-banishing.

It’s a NASTY match if played right. I just think 99% of Hondas aren’t exploiting the strengths.

do you have a vid of this autoblocking property? It seems pretty far fetched. maybe i’m not understanding it correctly.

Yea, i know gief cross up would be great vs honda’s who don’t know how to auto correct ex headbutt, but unfortunately good honda players do know how to do it :frowning: and he does cr.lp hands no problem :frowning: looks like this will be an uphill battle for sure.

I’ll have SNK make the video. He’s the video guy.

Question: When should I use Zangiefs air forward HP and air forward HK? I mean thats the diffrence?

air fwd hk - air-to-air, great against say Guile’s who go for the SB/throw trap since the throw will beat the headbutt…

air fwd HP is good at ‘tagging’ people with bad timing on fireballs/traps etc. So if Ryu is doing hado spam and not really paying attention to distance, its great at ‘sneaking’ in a hit…its reach is a little farther and hits a little harder than j.mk. It does well against Sagat TSs also as it can tag his arms. Again, this is only when their spacing/timing isn’t good, otherwise you’ll still get punished for jumping (ex DP/TUs 4tl). I personally don’t use either enough, especially j.hk…

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j.fp at the right distance can stuff sagat’s s.rh (if you aim for his head).

Canadian Honda’s are too fierce. :sweat:

Who you been playing - citi0fbrass? It’s not cuz honda’s any good, it’s just the player.

Dieminion, Rahsaan, Citi0fbrass - great Honda players own own giefs for free, including myself

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humm don’t know about that… I have played both Dieminion (who I beat at SB4 2-1) and Rahsaan Honda (who I destroyed last we played). Skye is the best Honda (IMO) and last we played it was even… But I believe Rahsaan is back in Louisiana for the Holiday’s, I will tell him to pick Honda and I’ll let you know what the score was.