Zangief Strategy/Match-up Thread

reaper2507 · August 20, 2009, 1:44am

na its realy hard for able to space it so well i gues if you try to punish every on of them with mps you get at least the chip damage back! you only need one bad spaced he need 10 well spaced to dea more damage… and if you know the spacing as well you can predict his wheel with hk or ex hand realy easy

JaeronMerc · August 20, 2009, 5:51am

I think it really goes to the skill of the Abel player man.

UltraDavid · August 20, 2009, 6:00am

Yeah, it does. It’s not a good idea to assume that your opponent is going to place a wheel kick where it’s unsafe on block, because Abel can beat your standing strong (or whatever) after the wheel.

System_1 · August 20, 2009, 10:52am

for sim and seth, throw in knees at the last second and hit their streatchy arms(c.hp,st.hp). after a few times they will probably change tactics since they can’t take even minimal damage from jump knees. This is obviously a tactic to use when jumping projectiles from them.
and rog dash punches can be punished by well timed st. mp and mk. not well timed and you eat a dash punch. (st.mp is so quick that it is the best option)

VersatileBJN · August 20, 2009, 3:59pm

Hi guys, I don’t main Zangief, but I have an interest in him as an opponent and potentially as a mess around character some time in the future. I would like to know if anyone could tell me how his short jump works and how to do it.

Thanks.

UltraDavid · August 20, 2009, 8:16pm

Short jump: [media=youtube]-6OhtwgWp3s[/media]

crapface · August 21, 2009, 7:13am

Okay, now not only do I need advice on turtling hondas but turtling blankas too…
I have a feeling I need to perfect the kara hand…

lldre · August 21, 2009, 8:59am

UltraDavid do you play on 360 or PS3?

System_1 · August 21, 2009, 10:26am

this should definitly go straight to the matchup core text!!!

C4onurback:

ok i’ve been playing a real asshole of a seth for about 40 matches in row so i think i KNOW how to beat a spammy one now. so you know if you could add this to front page that would be nice (god knows i knew most of this BEFORE all of this)

Seth: Seth is going to be a combination of everything you hate, a projectile with properties of sonic boom (speed and screen control properties) AND hadoken (easly combo’d and spam’d) AND tiger shot (the recovery is ridiculous) a wall jump (hey rember el fuete? ya you do) WITH an even more (seemingly) evil heaven stomp courtesy of chun-li he has all of dhaslims moves that you hate includeing a teleport, akumas air mixup game, a high priorty shryoken and last but not least a command grab (YOUR COMMAND GRAB DAMMIT) not to metion he is a slipperly asshole that jumps faster then anyone else (meaning a jump in is going to be very very very luckly)

how do you beat this jerk?

3 things

stuffing
containment
punishment

that shouldn’t be odd i mean this is zangiefs strategy anyways at one point or another, but the top three are more important then ever now.

first off stuffing

your boot of death is going to be your friend in this match because it can pointentally stuff pretty much anything under the right conditions including his FP and his air FP however it not really reliable. Only use the air mk when your in “magic range” ( which is pretty far way) to tap his extended limbs, any closer and his limbs will be over you meaning your kick is moot ( in which case switch to lp poke if you really wan to stuff)

ok so contiue to stuff him until he is near the wall…uh oh… his head stop can’t be counted with larait, trades in HIS FAVOR with crouch MP and crossups and is fast and hits 3 times. oh and it puts him on the other side of stage. How do you stop this wall jump madness? as soon as you see him jump off the wall jump your self and IMMEDIATELY headbutt. this should hit his feet, but any later and it will whiff and he will get a couple of chuckles in. if you do head butt him it knockes him away from you but puts him in the corner again. AGAIN try to contain and limit his options

ok now punish, this is generally easy, just if you see him teleport, whiff a shroken, or anthing that puts him at a bad postion larait, it does silly amounts of damge to him and puts him in get up game range. However some of his moves will give you other options for example his super or ultra will push you away only far enogh to hit with a bainishing flat (if you have exmeter use it combos destroy seth) and if he is stupid enogh to use tandim engine you can double german or spd (whatever is your preference)

ok so a general game will work like this he is gonna spam his sonic boom and jump back and hit you with his stretchy arms, in the begging your should jump over the sonic boom and boot of death but at a ceratin range stop. jump vertically over the sonic boom and move foward. This is the most important part of the match. you want to trick him into thinking he is safe with his air arms, you are going to jump straight up right out of range then headbutt

THIS WILL INSTANT STUN WITH NO COMBO ATTACHMENT

it is glourious, if you do this at least once a match you have won so this should be your ultimate goal

otherwise slowly run him down trying to get him to heaven stomp (if you can’t head but his sucka punch veration to the wall jump try a focus attack and if he does a “short hop” larait works EVERY TIME) trying to corner trap him once he is in the corner his yours. spalsh extendo hit box into throw, larait spam what have you once your in he is pretty much done (just watch for shoryuken) and try not to let him have your back because he despratly wants to teleport and GET OUT

so thats about it at first seth may seem impossible but with the right tactics zangief can overcome any obstacle because after all RUSSIAN WRESTLING IS ALWAYS NUMBER ONE

Misuchiru · August 21, 2009, 10:32am

anyone heard of a method of auto ex green hand after landing c.lk/lp?
seems like there’s a way to input the ex gh very quickly after the lk/lp if the lk/lp connects, gh comes out, if it doesn’t connect, you’ll just see lp/lk

useful when you are just outside of ryu’s cr.mk/hk range. if your c.lk hit his leg, auto ex gh.

System_1 · August 21, 2009, 10:57am

if you are only using gief as a mess around character than do not come here for help. this is the for tournament use only forum. no fun or messing around here. strictly tournament uses only. sorry.

reaper2507 · August 21, 2009, 3:09pm

LOL you smoke to much^^

filldoh · August 21, 2009, 6:26pm

623 lk pp

the green hand wont comeout unless it hits.

Eckostyle · August 21, 2009, 6:52pm

Now that I’m seeing a ton of Abel’s online(sigh) now, is there a general strategy against him? I’ve surmised that if hes far, he’s in control but getting close to him I’m having problems with, namely when they’re turtling or spend the whole match jumping all over because of a lack of options.

I also found out the hard way that nothing beats a meaty twirl throw.

reaper2507 · August 21, 2009, 7:04pm

nothing beets giefs meetys either actualy abel is giefs easyest matchup! move carefuly in respont on wheelkicks throw him out of rolls make a good mixup target a knockdown and then play wakeup game its almost like playing gief by the book no special options or so just plain old simple way like in my tutorial for beginners mentioned

crapface · August 21, 2009, 8:45pm

Abel’s TT is unthrowable. If he’s doing TT on your wakeup, just back dash or jump.

ClydeByrd · August 21, 2009, 10:20pm

Think about yourself using Gief, those throw setups most of the time are so obvious you can neutral jump. His cool down from a wiffed grab is even worse than Zangief, you can do anything you want if he misses.

Misuchiru · August 21, 2009, 10:54pm

thanks.
pp a few frames after lk?

jasonC · August 21, 2009, 11:01pm

pp pretty much immediately after lk - like a late cvs2 roll cancel lol.

sinep · August 21, 2009, 11:15pm

I find it faster to do d/f, d/f lk~pp.