okay so those option selects I was talking about. They were ALL in Desk’s latest video lol. I should’ve been faster with making that video
I appreciate the help, but I was asking about the GH OS for wakeup backdash. If they backdash, i want the gh, if they don’t i want a cr. lk or cr. lp. I believe this is possible I just want to know the exact input and any timing help/tips
And just to contribute while I’m at it, my favorite way to OS ex GH in footsies is using st. lk. So it would be st.lk + forward, d, df+2P. This is the easiest way for me because since the forward st.lk is the first input, its pretty easy to react with it not only as an OS, but also a whiff punish.
To OS EX gh from c.lk/lp you need to delay the input of the green hand a bit more. The thing is you cannot do it when you land an spd (since you need to do lp gh to get close) but from any other kd it works. It´s pretty difficult to combo if they happen to not backdash and try to jump or press buttons tho.
I recommend you to try c.lp, c.lk + hk forward. This way, if they backdash you get command sweep, if not you get c.lp, c.lk and then you can st mp st lk EX GH. It doesn´t work on every backdash but on most of them it´s good I use it a lot.
I do it like this, though no backdashes can be caught this way.
c.lp (slight delauy)-EX-Flats(with c.lp and c.mp) then i alwas press s.lk and hitconfirm combo if they didnt backdash.
c.lp will chain with c.lp on hit, and if you press it rapidly, so a slight delay, will give you the perfect OS for Greenhand between c.lp and c.lp.
As for catching backdashes, it only works after a proper knockdown, due to frames. lets go nerfed gief.
Zangiefs when do you use quick lariat? I use it to punish ex phsyco crusher, blanka ball, Seth’s HP and to build meter, what other uses you have?
*also to go trough fireballs
I would also like to second the motion as to how KKK lariat works. Its hitbox, when to use it,
Also, what are the properties of ex suplex and ex spd?
I think KKK lariat gives lower body invincibility, to pass through low projectiles like Juri or Sagat’s. Can also be used to counter low pokes. Also recovers quicker than PPP.
EX Atomic suplex (near) gives you a bit more damage over the regular - Not worth an EX bar
EX Running Bear Grab gives you armour - So you could break through their pokes, providing their close enough and grab them. Can be used as a pseudo-anti air to absorb their attack as they’re descending and grab them - very strict timing.
EX SPD gives you hit invincibility - so you can plow through ground and descending ariel attacks, and it also puts your opponent in an extended knockdown time - so you can follow up with any setup you want.
Ex SPD counters meaty setups.
EX-Suplex has 20 more dmg, and armor, meaning if they use a meaty move you will still be able to grab them. Like EX-SPD
KKK Lariats best use is vs. Fireballs that arent considered high. to build meter, and get through the FB safely. Sadly you must do this with better timing than PPP lariat as it has no invu, and you need to have it active before the fireball is on you.
Othert than that I think its only use is to catch low pokes like dhalsim limbs etc, and meter build.
I also use KKK lariat vs. Sagat and Abel if I hitconfirm 1c.lk into 2.clk, then I can combo with KKK lariat and get better OKI than EX-Flats
Question: best way to counter a Bison spamming ex headstomp when you try to attack him on wake-up? Would U2 work? What about if I don’t have it stocked?
if you’re right next to him Cr. MK should let you dodge it.
Sorry if this has been asked before, but when should I jump to go for the safe jump after I land giefs front throw, and Suplex? I’ve been doing it as they’re starting their get up motion. but im not sure if im doing it right.
ask simple questions right? What ever happened to vangief? i remember seeing him, but not in a long time.
Pretty sure he is on that real life train nowadays. From what I can tell he still plays some though.
He is native to NorCal so look out for him at NorCal Regionals this March and maybe at the new Team MCZ event in San Diego in April.
Ah ok, thanks a bunch! He’s like the first ever guy i saw play on stream back in 2010. In fact if i remember correctly it was in norcal regionals. haha.
EDIT: i couldn’t find a social thread or anything alike, so i posted in here. 
I’ve always wondered, against Giefs who whiff moves (e.g. roundhouse, green hand) into SPD, how does one counter this or protect themselves? Is this considered gimmicky? Is it more than just spacing and guessing your Gief opponent’s tendencies?
Whiff Punish them. If someone is trying to whiff HK/GH to lp SPD then they are in range for you to punish their whiffed move.
As for Gimmicky, I’d say it’s kind of a gimmick but if the opponent feels they are safe in downback all day or don’t have good reactions then you should go for it. In my opinion a win is a win is a win, regardless of what your opponent wants to say afterwards. If they lost to a gimmick they deserved to lose.
Ok i am just a bit confused. I thought SPD was a 0 frame command grab with 1 active frame. If this is the case, then how does EX spd beat meaty setups? Does it have more active frames with invuln or something?
Regular SPD starts up in 2 frames and is active for 2 frames.
EX SPD has 4 frames of startup and 2 active frames.
can you still combo U2 after focus level 2 or 3?
i know i did it in AE but in 2012 but for the life of me i can’t do it now…