Zangief General Thread: Our Russian Skies Are Protected

[Malvadisco]

tali tactics

i dont know why are you wasting your time loyalsol, i thought you were brighter

[LoyalSol]

tali tactics

i dont know why are you wasting your time loyalsol, i thought you were brighter

It’s therapeutic.

[itzpookiie]

Zangrief

air spd is so demoralizing lol

[reaper2507]

i have the overll feeling he needs harder to go inside and its less scary and less rewarding if you are in… but godlike reaktion and uses of VTrigger might spin him on the top in high Level play

[Yoko]

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Can`t stop laughing at it. You guys deserve an Oscar.

[chief713]

I’m really liking f. HP. Such a useful button.

[BattleBomb]

I’m really liking f. HP. Such a useful button.

You mean the " Hello guys, look at me I charge for 1 minute, comeon give me a crush counter sweep, do it please"-button?

[Ralenzo]

^
no, f+HP is the headbutt…
U’re talking about st.HP

[chief713]

I’m really liking f. HP. Such a useful button.

You mean the " Hello guys, look at me I charge for 1 minute, comeon give me a crush counter sweep, do it please"-button?

What Ralenzo said. Also, I think st.FP is going to be very situational. Like if you’re close to the corner against Ryu/Ken and they’re chucking FBs in your face. Or you’re fighting someone who’s problem button is a standing one. I don’t think it’s gonna be something that you just throw out there to see what happens. We have cr.LP and st.MK for that.

[LoyalSol]

s.HP is a useful button. One example if you find a Mika player who wants to spam drop kick just press s.HP on reaction. There’s going to be plenty of uses.

[The_Lone_Dragon]

You mean the " Hello guys, look at me I charge for 1 minute, comeon give me a crush counter sweep, do it please"-button?

Gief’s s.hp has WAY more range than sweeps and many lows. The hurtbox also retracts before the hitbox comes out, making it even harder to sweep: http://watissf.dantarion.com/sf5/boxdox/#cbt4/EC2-5HP-0

You’re exaggerating.

[filldoh]

But go ahead and continue with the Zangief is not bottom of the bunch but it’s also convenient for you to say it’s not true, but unwilling to provide someone below him. Even if the game is the most balance game in the world…someone has to be last. That doesn’t mean he can’t win anything or win a tourney or two…it means he’s clearly lacking and too dependent on hard reads compared to the other 15 characters. I don’t think most characters need an alt character in pocket, but Gief feels like he does despite the game’s “honest” gameplay.

I am late to the party on this and this is crazy early to talk about tiers, but I am bored at work so why the hell not.
I’ll put a few characters below Gief immediately.
Laura ( seems to me to lose a lot of match ups)

Ken(absolutely zero frame traps, for a rush down character this is very harsh)
Rashid(very little damage and seems to be mostly based around gimmicks )
Sim( Lag on normals and general reliance on teleport mixups seems to make him very one-dimensional, he will probably have very bad match ups.

I understand you’re saying Gief relies too much on reads but that is now the game. Everyone relies on hard reads now, they want it to be risk versus reward. That is why things like ryu cr. forward fireball are unsafe on block.

I have played Gief since 92 and with the exception of alpha3 this is his best version.

[reaper2507]

nahh don’t exegerate sf4 gief vanilla was a berast sadly it had sagat as breaks^^ this gief can’t go in if there is a good zoner or at least not as good as and if hes in its harder to score… but his vskill gives him the edge over save specials like karins overhead move… simply absorb and punish…
not to talök about sf4 vanillas antiairing lariat and the savety of both lariats

[filldoh]

nahh don’t exegerate sf4 gief vanilla was a berast sadly it had sagat as breaks^^ this gief can’t go in if there is a good zoner or at least not as good as and if hes in its harder to score… but his vskill gives him the edge over save specials like karins overhead move… simply absorb and punish…
not to talök about sf4 vanillas antiairing lariat and the savety of both lariats

He was a beast in vanilla but It was irrelevant in high level play for three reasons Seth, Akuma, and Sagat. He has no match ups close to as bad as that in this game, so in turn he is better now.

[demosz]

You mean the " Hello guys, look at me I charge for 1 minute, comeon give me a crush counter sweep, do it please"-button?

Gief’s s.hp has WAY more range than sweeps and many lows. The hurtbox also retracts before the hitbox comes out, making it even harder to sweep: http://watissf.dantarion.com/sf5/boxdox/#cbt4/EC2-5HP-0

You’re exaggerating.

What is the grey hurtbox?

And the teal one is “throwable”, right?

[drunkards_walk]

I understand you’re saying Gief relies too much on reads but that is now the game. Everyone relies on hard reads now, they want it to be risk versus reward. That is why things like ryu cr. forward fireball are unsafe on block.

I have played Gief since 92 and with the exception of alpha3 this is his best version.

That is a grappler for you. If someone is going to complain about him relying too much on reads then he probably isn’t the character for them. Also, reliance on reads doesn’t make him bad

[soleildunrd]

I understand you’re saying Gief relies too much on reads but that is now the game. Everyone relies on hard reads now, they want it to be risk versus reward. That is why things like ryu cr. forward fireball are unsafe on block.

I have played Gief since 92 and with the exception of alpha3 this is his best version.

That is a grappler for you. If someone is going to complain about him relying too much on reads then he probably isn’t the character for them. Also, reliance on reads doesn’t make him bad

Having to read for everything to win isn’t a good sign about the character’s strength

This iteration of gief is pretty cool to play even if he gets some problems, he has nothing to mash under pressure making you loose the round when you’re defending maybe it’s because I’m to used to usf4 hawk where i have to mash my path to victory or 'cause i don’t use enough the v reversal “the gief’s one doesn’t seems to be that great”, but to me it’s like i need to have the lead during all the round to win it, if i just loose it for 1 second it’s over.

[RagingStormX]

I understand you’re saying Gief relies too much on reads but that is now the game. Everyone relies on hard reads now, they want it to be risk versus reward. That is why things like ryu cr. forward fireball are unsafe on block.

I have played Gief since 92 and with the exception of alpha3 this is his best version.

Alpha 2 Gief was better than this version also

[filldoh]

I understand you’re saying Gief relies too much on reads but that is now the game. Everyone relies on hard reads now, they want it to be risk versus reward. That is why things like ryu cr. forward fireball are unsafe on block.

I have played Gief since 92 and with the exception of alpha3 this is his best version.

Alpha 2 Gief was better than this version also

A2 Gief was great but lost pretty hard to top tiers. I still think this version Is a better Gief. He has fantastic anti zoning tools with headbutting fireballs and vskill, buttons are about equal even though I miss his old crouching fierce from Alpha. Runningbear grab in this game is godlike and having an air spinning pile-driver is insane.

[Daikuza]

In the final version of the game, the grey damage’ on block is increase, but the regeneration is much, much faster, so it’s basically a nice Zangief buff.