Back to S2.1 Gief. If I posted this in the main forum I’d collect at least 10 ‘Get Rekts’, but Gief is worse off than in S2:
New forward throw takes away his corner throw loop, it’s a nerf. Counter is a nerf because the move is next to useless and puts you in a CC’able state if it comes out accidentally. Gief already has three special moves assigned to the punch buttons. Seriously, what were they thinking not making this a kick command? Lariat is nerfed too.
But yeah, thanks for the headbutt; it makes me feel like hobo whose coat was taken away in exchange for a flea-infested blanket riddled with holes.
Injustice comes out tomorrow too so I may never go back to this shitty game ever again. I played some ranked today and went from around 10,400 to 9700. I’m on the east coast and I played maybe 12-15 matches. Almost all had Mexican flags and all were shitty connections like usual. Fuck this game and this joke of a netcode. Oh and fuck Laura, that brain dead no skill required character.
alright normally I just come in here for posting my own videos or for a quick joke or something, but after this many days of you guys complaining about this patch I wanna throw my two cents in. Keep in mind i’m only talking about the gief changes, if you don’t like the game then you just don’t like the game, i’m not trying to defend sf5 as a whole.
the new forward throw, it does more damage and stun than his regular throws and leaves him slightly closer (so instead of no oki after forward throw you would get some shitty oki, but it’s better than nothing). The biggest complaint is it removes his corner throw loop. I wanna make this clear, his corner throw loop still exists. What it did is make it so you can’t auto time your throw loop by whiffing a crouch jab, you have to walk forward and manually time it. It’s still a thing just gonna have to get used to walking forward is all.
The new counter is bad, that’s a given. I said it’s bad before, people have quoted me on that and i’m not taking that back. You guys are acting like this is a huge nerf to Zangief and if you wanna call input overlapping a nerf I can see where you’re coming from, but a useless tool isn’t a nerf. It doesn’t matter how bad everyone else or how bad I think it is, it isn’t a nerf. Does it suck that the counter is bad? Of course, but a bad, new move isn’t a nerf.
The air headbutt if I recall has always been a situational thing for zangief, and there’s really nothing to dispute there. The lariat nerf just makes it easier to punish while not affecting combos, and the headbutt meter gain nerf is just a straight up nerf (not a very big one though).
If you don’t like sf5, or you don’t like how Zangief plays then that’s fine. Don’t bitch about your character getting better.
you need a tl;dr apparently. New forward throw isn’t a nerf, new counter isn’t a nerf, air headbutt isn’t a nerf. New tools aren’t a nerf and can you please understand this. Obviously the lariat and headbutt meter things are nerfs but they’re extremely small in comparison to what other people got.
Urien? Nerfed
Guile? Nerfed
jumpback OS? Gone
If input overlap messes up your moves it’s an unintentional nerf, which is still a nerf. It seems your reading comprehension is lacking, as nobody ever said air headbutt is a nerf. Sure, Urien and Guile have been nerfed, but the matchups are still in their favor, and now there’s Ed who’s shaping up to be another nightmare matchup.
Isn’t that the overall problem people have with SFV Zangief??
The tools that he does have under perform and the new ones he gets in S2,don’t improve his chances in the harder MUs or have much utility.
We need to start a petition to get Capcom to change it to kicks. Makes zero sense.
While Gief in 2.1 is still good I think a case can be made that with the balance changes, improved DP’s, Vega buffs, Sim’s new low … and Ed. It has only gotten harder for Gief.
It’s definitely no longer Year of the Gief (not that it ever was to start with).
You and slaynman are always the best gief here, I am just a little child compare with you guys.
Actually my skill is far from tournament level (even many of my friend persuaded me I should try some tournament)
I still think I have to be much stronger in order to survive in tournament for just a little bit longer time.
I don’t tell people how to play Ibuki because I don’t know anything about her. I wonder why this guy feels so compelled to pretend he’s an expert on a character he doesn’t even play.
It is actually not a hard job to reach Diamond, if you already stay at ultra plat.
The real challenge is the reach super diamond, you need 20000 points and it is damn quite impossible.
See maybe it’s cause I played hugo and messed around with seth in sf4 but counter being on punches isn’t terrible. Both times the beta has been out I haven’t accidentally done the counter in neutral, and while it being on kicks would probably be better, it’s mostly on you if you’re getting the counter by accident (if you’re walking back and forth just do down-back instead of down-forward, when the patch comes out just practice it not coming out by accident. This is also directed at @Volta just practice your inputs instead of whining)
vega and sim getting buffed does suck for gief though I can’t argue that, what I don’t understand is Ed. Now we only got a couple days so any real conclusion on how the matchup is isn’t possible, but what were people having problems with? Ed vskill beats armor yes, but it counts as a projectile, his charged hp leaves him -2 and in your face on block, his ex reversal is so slow that if you do meaty jab you have time to block (like urien ex headbutt), and when he does his fireball you can lariat/headbutt/v-trigger from almost 3/4 screen away. It’s definitely gonna be a weird time, but no way is it gonna be guile or sim level at all.
Slay, you slayed them too hard.
Now the regulars don’t come back for coffee no more.
They’ve moved onto where the aromas more flavorsome, richer and enticing.
Alas, we can put out the welcome mat for when the next patch releases.
It will be business as usual. :wgrin:
