He couldn’t continue his pressure in any game after an spd, I highly doubt they designed him to begin spd looping in this one
He has a lot of new tools
I’m disappointed.
Looks like I 'll go with Mika this time.
Good bye Zangief…NO…NO! Don’t look back…
https://fbcdn-photos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xta1/v/t34.0-0/p206x206/12071726_935758043146830_972923893_n.jpg?oh=bae5d627cd8141dd5790b201c1f2efc8&oe=561ADE3C&__gda__=1444594805_e284891ed510b42a14915a1f98cfa101like i said its like hes missing something. i have a felling when someone like combo does a breakdown of him were going to see his combo potential and all will be forgiven.
He needs kick lariat and green hand, and a better CA.
>Borscht Dynamite
>Siberian Express
>Bolshoi Russian Suplex
Oh Capcom, please never ever change
Do all of his command grabs combo or just the EX?
EX and Super only.
Edit: forget it, I was wrong about the C.MP
What happened to kick lariat?
I think he’s really going to miss (EX) Green Hand. Armor isn’t a gap-closer.
Also, how does the EX Lariat function?
Good point, there’s an EX symbol next to it. Unless that’s a misprint, I have no idea what the input would be.
Press the buttons more harder?
Seems like all the doom and gloom has settled off a bit. Seems to have been happening with every character that doesn’t play exactly like their arcade game version (Vega, Karin and now Gief). I think only R.Mika has gotten a pass because of how bad she was in the one game she was in. The characters are being radicalized and given new stuff. This is how they are designing SFV. Pretty much every returning character is different degrees of…different.
You can probably blame this directly on the V Skills and Triggers. I think this is what people are harping on because the inclusion of said things seems to have forced Capcom to decide what they felt Zangief really needed or didn’t need to go along with them. Most people here just seem to look at his V Skill and Trigger and go “meh its not green hand or kick lariat, don’t like” but I’m sure with time they will both become key tools to his gameplay. Tools where it will makes sense why his move set was changed.
Apparently this is also the first time Gief gets an EX lariat so who knows what that could do for him. Gief is trading a bit of mobility in this game to be seemingly even tougher to land a clean hit on once he gets going. Plus V Trigger when optimized should give a new full screen mind game. I think the V Trigger is actually the best thing about SFV Gief. It gives a character who’s normally only relevant at close and mid range the ability to affect the entire screen. You can’t just feel comfortable vs Gief because he’s half to full screen away anymore. Very unique addition for him that I’m sure Gief fans will learn to like as Gief normally just has to play Super Mario when he’s far away and isn’t a relevant character at far ranges.
Gief traditionally never was a character of heavy combos so for me, he seems a lot more traditional this time. If any of his SPDs are faster than 4 frames he should have an up in the command grab game over the other grapplers. Especially in punish situations. I’ll leave you guys to conjecture and complain for a while, but don’t be surprised if you really end up liking the new Gief. I’m sure the new Gief will gain a lot of new fans. He’s getting A LOT of new stuff this time. More than he ever has. Looking forward to it.
People cried about Vega because he is not a charge character anymore but he is very strong. so he is different but they changed him to be stronger than ever.
People cry about Karin because the Karin people are the worst fanbase ever, they will cry about everything, even about her design.
We “cry” about Zangief because they remove some of his best tools, stun-headbut,green hand,german suplex, and we get much worse tools in exchange for it, his v-trigger is not good, it is not half as good es ex green hand and it’s a v-trigger, so very limited and that makes it even worse. I just don’t like that he is completely comboless AND at the same time his grabs deal not enough dmg for a comboless character.
Zangief the combofiend combofree cyclone, so traditional, so boring, so free.
and there is no ex lariat, I don’t know why you think that he has that.
I can understand where the Karin criers come from, even if she really does have the worst fanbase. Having the defining aspect of your character locked behind VT is quite aggrevating. But it does look like the kvetching of the Gief fanbase is even worse, because for god’s sake he’s barely been playable at conventions and you’re acting like you can say anything about his balance
Double lariat has the blue box symbol next to it. Which indicates move can be EXed. Unless there was a typo on his moves list which is possible since there was no EX lariat shown in the trailer. We’ll find out soon and hope you get more confidence in the Iron Cyclone (formerly Red Cyclone).
Yeah. Just find it strange that one day in and everyone seems to know that this Gief is going to be bad. Not even a statement like “I would like to really try out some of his new tools and really experiment with what they open up for him”. Nope, just bad even though other players are going to crack stuff open with so much potential like his V Skill and Trigger very easily. I can already see how that will make him scarier from a long range. I have a feeling Gief will actually start to hurt pretty bad when all of his combos (although won’t be a ton of them) are optimized. He doesn’t have many, but I’m sure he has a few more than people think.
Some of the Karin players are doing the same thing even though it’s stupid obvious she’s going to be decent at the worst. From a design standpoint I can see why people would miss the rekkas, but I also feel people don’t really understand how often they will be getting V Triggers at high level. Once people find all the ways to land their V Skills and crush counters, the V Triggers will be flowing in each matchup. You will definitely be using them more often than your supers.
Ok, now I’m really gone. LOL. Good luck.
There are only 2 things that I really dislike about him.
- His V-Trigger is uninspired and boring.
- No real combo-ender
There are also 2 new things I really like.
- His new S.HP (that armor and 100% crush counter is lovely)
- That air grab is just awesomeness.
The new Critical Art is a visual thing so I don’t complain, I was happy enough to see him in the initial roster.
I just wait for the game release and I hope that everyone is just wrong and Zangief will be the scariest monster in SFV.
best of luck on 5
I thought he could end combos with his EX throws?
Okay, after watching this video I think I finally understand his V-trigger.
https://youtu.be/ttzEd3vVW_I
The key is in holding it. The first rotation draws grounded opponents in, but has no attack box. However if you hold it, then he spins again and the second rotation will hit, presumably before they have a chance to jump. This is important because it conditions people not to mash or jump out of it. Once you have them respecting the attack, you can then stop at one rotation, catch them guarding and SPD. So it seems it’s meant to be used as a mid-screen mixup tool rather than just closing the distance.
Whether it actually works like this in practice, I don’t know. But that seems to be what they were going for.
Maybe KKK? He doesn’t seem to have a KKK lariat anymore.
I tried everything, looks like there is no EX-Lariat, maybe they just mean the Cyclone Lariat or it’s a misprint.