Zangief General Thread: Our Russian Skies Are Protected

[DevilJin_01]

The whining thread should be at its maximum level with these extra Gief buffs

[Plaid_Unicorn]

Only on the first revolution, which isn’t part of it’s initial hitbox! That means that your AA timing won’t be affected, but it will maybe lose or trade against divekicks and other jump arc adjusting stuff.

May I know who @Plaid_Unicorn is

Nobody important. Just took the notes on the lariat nerf and tried to make sense of it. When AA with lariat, 99% of the time it’s with the startup, before Gief actually makes a rev. The patch notes state on nerfs to hitbox happen after the 1st rev, therefore AA won’t be effected.

That is at least how I use lariat when AA’ing. It’s when it’s the most effective and strongest.

Shall we take a look again on the patch note:

Double Lariat
Reduced the downwards hitbox on his arms while spinning (1st revolution)
Changed so that the hitbox on his arms while spinning (2nd and 3rd revolutions) will not hit crouching opponents
**Expanded the hurtbox to the same position as his hitbox
**

Capcom didn’t mentioned when the hurtbox is expanded as same as Hitbox.
They did’t not mentioned it is at first revolution.
The patch note is unclear, no one guarantee the hurtbox extended in the entire move, including the start up, man.

That’s great, neither of us know. I was just trying to make sense of unclear patch notes and that seemed like the most logical read on what they were saying. We are just going to have to wait until late April, man

[Gemini_hk]

Only on the first revolution, which isn’t part of it’s initial hitbox! That means that your AA timing won’t be affected, but it will maybe lose or trade against divekicks and other jump arc adjusting stuff.

May I know who @Plaid_Unicorn is

Nobody important. Just took the notes on the lariat nerf and tried to make sense of it. When AA with lariat, 99% of the time it’s with the startup, before Gief actually makes a rev. The patch notes state on nerfs to hitbox happen after the 1st rev, therefore AA won’t be effected.

That is at least how I use lariat when AA’ing. It’s when it’s the most effective and strongest.

Shall we take a look again on the patch note:

Double Lariat
Reduced the downwards hitbox on his arms while spinning (1st revolution)
Changed so that the hitbox on his arms while spinning (2nd and 3rd revolutions) will not hit crouching opponents
**Expanded the hurtbox to the same position as his hitbox
**

Capcom didn’t mentioned when the hurtbox is expanded as same as Hitbox.
They did’t not mentioned it is at first revolution.
The patch note is unclear, no one guarantee the hurtbox extended in the entire move, including the start up, man.

That’s great, neither of us know. I was just trying to make sense of unclear patch notes and that seemed like the most logical read on what they were saying. We are just going to have to wait until late April, man

I know your reading is logical, but logical read doesn’t mean it is the truth.
Let us stop guessing.

I can sure it would be extremely terrible if lariat can not AA anymore.
Character like Karin can now cross up Gief forever and we can not stop them.

[Gemini_hk]

The whining thread should be at its maximum level with these extra Gief buffs

lol, who the hell knows Gief is buffed or nerfed hard?
Lariat which can not Anti-air can send Gief to ass tier.

[Frost]

st.lp, cr.hp, st.hk

I don’t think it’s the end of the world for him if it can’t AA as well

[Gemini_hk]

st.lp, cr.hp, st.hk

I don’t think it’s the end of the world for him if it can’t AA as well

Neither of above can AA cross up attack.

[Frost]

st.lp, cr.hp, st.hk

I don’t think it’s the end of the world for him if it can’t AA as well

Neither of above can AA cross up attack.

that’s literally what st.lp is used for

[Gemini_hk]

st.lp, cr.hp, st.hk

I don’t think it’s the end of the world for him if it can’t AA as well

Neither of above can AA cross up attack.

that’s literally what st.lp is used for

Slp can hit opponent who right on 90 degree top above Gief.
Not behind Gief.

[mowr]

I’m guessing Tundra Storm is specifically for beating Dhalsim st.mk/st.hk.

[Gemini_hk]

I’m guessing Tundra Storm is specifically for beating Dhalsim st.mk/st.hk.

lol Dhalism can just change to spam S.MP & S.HP for whole day.

[Evansgambit]

I love how every Gief major is speculating endlessly on the theory of quantum mechanics.

[Gemini_hk]

I love how every Gief major is speculating endlessly on the theory of quantum mechanics.

umm may be I already got mad on the huge lariat nerf

[CaptainGinyu]

Zangief has become that kid who has rich parents and has Christmas and his birthday on the same week. Like goddamn, nothing but (hopefully good shit.)

Actually a better metaphor would be a rich drunken uncle who is just as likely to show up with a new car as he is to show up with an urn of your grandmother’s ashes as a gift.

[gigglz]

Zangief has become that kid who has rich parents and has Christmas and his birthday on the same week. Like goddamn, nothing but (hopefully good shit.)

Actually a better metaphor would be a rich drunken uncle who is just as likely to show up with a new car as he is to show up with an urn of your grandmother’s ashes as a gift.

Well Lariat got nerfed / “adjusted”.
We’ll have to wait and see how that turns out. Maybe st.lk xx lariat whiffpunishes arent as good anymore?? Would certainly be shitty…

Quite unsure about the “counter” still… we just got way too few info on that.

[Volta]

The whining thread should be at its maximum level with these extra Gief buffs

Hang on, I’m still warming up.

[scratchback]

st.lp, cr.hp, st.hk

I don’t think it’s the end of the world for him if it can’t AA as well

So IF we lose our best aa it’s no big deal? Huh? Cr.hp and st.hk are not reliable aa’s I’m sorry and st.jab gets blown up by cross ups like Gemini said. Also we would be losing lots of damage. All we can do is speculate now but I’m just going by the track record of past balancing and adjusting with Gief and it’s never been good. As long as Combofiend is there I have no optimism whatsoever.

[Volta]

Food for thought, the expanded Lariat hurtbox could actually be an unintended buff in AA situations. If you trade, you obviously won’t finish the spinning animation, leaving you right next to your downed opponent.

[Volta]

Zangief has become that kid who has rich parents and has Christmas and his birthday on the same week. Like goddamn, nothing but (hopefully good shit.)

Actually a better metaphor would be a rich drunken uncle who is just as likely to show up with a new car as he is to show up with an urn of your grandmother’s ashes as a gift.

More like a kid who gets grandma’s knit sweater every Christmas.

I’m not sold on that counter kick thingy. Let’s wait and see.

[Frost]

st.lp, cr.hp, st.hk

I don’t think it’s the end of the world for him if it can’t AA as well

So IF we lose our best aa it’s no big deal? Huh? Cr.hp and st.hk are not reliable aa’s I’m sorry and st.jab gets blown up by cross ups like Gemini said. Also we would be losing lots of damage. All we can do is speculate now but I’m just going by the track record of past balancing and adjusting with Gief and it’s never been good. As long as Combofiend is there I have no optimism whatsoever.

I said it’s not the end of the world.

I’ve seen more positivity in the fucking Juri thread. You guys are whiney as fuck.

[Gemini_hk]

Food for thought, the expanded Lariat hurtbox could actually be an unintended buff in AA situations. If you trade, you obviously won’t finish the spinning animation, leaving you right next to your downed opponent.

I hope the new lariat can still AA by trade hit as you said, instead of completely blown up and stuffed by air attack…
However it really not looks good now