Average GJ combos do 450ish not because because more damage isn’t possible but because the circumstances don’t present themselves often.
The opponent not starting off in the corner is the main reason. You were talking as if you created some 500 damage off regular normals out the open.
You guys are really serious about double tapping over plinking? Here’s a question, how come none of the good players use double tapping instead of plinking for linking normals?
Where is the non-corner combo??? Anyone can do a 500+ combo in the corner ROFL.
Considering this is the simple questions thread, i think most people expect to helped, not shit on.
Troll and Mingo, you guys should make your own thread called the elite Yun thread, where you shit on players like daigo for plinking instead of double tapping; and not getting enough damage out of his GJ combos etc… In that thread you don’t have to spoon feed anyone, you can just insult people for asking questions and never bother answering any of them.
I know a few good/high level players who double tap more than plink… MDR to name one.
I think the plink vs double tapping argument is old, and people have agreed that yeah plinking is really good, but double tapping is not useless. For 1 framers, plinking is definitely better, while for more lenient stuff, double tapping can be better, and i think i see people double tap specials more.
But yeah, i wish this wont drag any longer lol… its getting tiring.
You have a replay of MDR with inputs from SSF4? Could you post a link, i would be curious/amazed too see why he wouldn’t plink his standing fierce with rufus. What name was he using on XBox Live. Also you’ve got some Yun stuff by him with inputs?
Sorry if answering or responding is getting really tiring for you. Maybe get some rest or move on to another thread? This is the simple questions thread so i don’t see why the elite players like yourself are in here tiring themselves out with such trivial questions. It must be hell to be so great :).
lol im not elite at all… maybe not a green beginner but yeah…
anyway heres an example (i just searched for MDR yun on youtube lol)
seems like he double taps everything lol… unfortunately no input displays on arcade.
you can tell MDR is double tapping and not plinking on his links? My computer must be messed up because i can barely see his hands.
Hey fellow Yun losers, here is the king of scrubs Mr. Daigo using HP Lunge Punch during Genei Jin. What a fucking retard!
Let him have it guys. Why does he suck so much? 1:48
I guess he isn’t good enough to play here. He uses plinks for links which definitely hurts him by one frame. On top of that he used HP Lunge a move that should NEVER be used. What a scrub. EVEN WORSE, the Genei Jin combo he did, didn’t do 500 easy damage AND he LOST!
How was that analysis? I feel like i’ve learned a lot from this thread. I bet that Daigo guy wants to be spoonfed!
TrollThisSRK is some random nobody who gets mad whenever he tries to correct people and isn’t right. Is anyone really going to listen to his advice? rofl
He can stay trying to be the best Yun player ever but in the end, he won’t get results by hiding behind his computer screen.
STAY FREEEEEEEE
You weren’t specific about mid screen. In fact we were talking about palm and double palm combos. If you thought we were talking about doing double palms midscreen you might be retarded. Pretty obvious what the conversation topic was. You were specific about starting from cmk-> lp shoulder and I proved you wrong. Now you bads are just backtracking.
Yea you’re doing a whole lot for the quality of the forums by posting bad info and then getting butthurt when people correct you with hard evidence.
You’re part of the problem, not the solution.
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Midscreen is midscreen. We were talking about palm combos, double palm combos specifically. Please continue to spend your time fighting arguments I never made.
You guys are beyond help. I correct people when they need correcting. Thats a GOOD thing, you morons. Plenty of top players use double tapping liberally. Mago said in an interview that he double taps just about everything because you lose nothing by doing so. 2 frame links included. I’m done trying to help bads who call you a troll and a liar when you post EVIDENCE on how they can better their game. You’re welcome.
Thats pretty big talk. You going to EVO this year? I’ve got 1000$ that says you don’t make it out of pools.
OK. You know what, this is getting ridiculous. There was no arguing, name-calling, or anything before you came along, Troll. Everywhere you go, you cause an argument. From what I’ve seen, you can’t correct someone without calling them an idiot, a retard, stupid, etc… You can’t even handle another person’s OPINION without getting defensive. If you can’t discuss a simple topic without being a complete asshole, GTFO. Grow up, learn some manners, and improve your People Skills.
Thats because people hate being wrong.
Furthermore I’m perfectly polite until people call ME stupid just for giving them the right answer that they don’t want to hear for some reason. Go ahead and quote a post of me correcting wrong info the FIRST TIME where I called someone stupid.
Go on. I’ll wait. Oh whats that? You can’t.
I start calling people morons when I’ve corrected them and they call me stupid. Then I show them evidence and/or spell it out for them and they just say I’m wrong with no backing and call me stupid again.
If you’d rather have a forum with no arguing but pages and pages of bad info and advice from people who should not under any circumstances be giving then fine. Enjoy blissful ignorance.
That’s like betting the average random person can’t keep from falling off a log.
Calm down the bullshit.
I would quote one but, I can’t find it. I’m sure you remember it, though: Back when PSN got hacked there was an article about it on the front page. We were giving our opinions on whether Sony was to blame, more so than the hackers, in the comments. You called one person stupid for their opinion, then another, then me.
If I’m not mistaken, nobody called you stupid. You create these situations with the way you correct people. Most of your “corrections” are preceded by, “This is completely false,” or something along those lines. Your arrogant, sarcastic, and elitist attitude is clear in all your posts. I even checked your post history to see if you weren’t always such an ass… Turns out, you are. Every time you post, an argument follows.
Whether the information or advice people offer in this thread is optimal or not does not matter. There are more than enough people present who are willing to discuss it and find a better option in a respectful manner. You, are not one of them. You say there are people who shouldn’t be giving advice…? The ignorance in that is pathetic. Who are you to tell people they shouldn’t be giving advice? Better yet, what are your qualifications?
I don’t know if you’re aware of this but, nobody here is a robot. Mistakes will be made by everyone including you. I don’t care how much research you do, what you say isn’t always right. What you suggest isn’t always the best option. Until you realize that, you should probably stay away from public forums.
Yea but if you’re calling people out for ‘hiding behind their computer screen’ when you haven’t done shit all yourself
"You say there are people who shouldn’t be giving advice…? The ignorance in that is pathetic."
lolwhat? Someone who does not understand the basic mechanics of the game (evidently most people here) should not be writing guides and giving advice to people. Period. The fact that you have a problem with this philosophy is astounding.
My qualifications? Its not like I’m writing about mind games and advanced footsies here. Its basic shit like COMBOS and LINKS. Which I have backed up, fully, with evidence, everytime. Theres my qualification - EVIDENCE.
If I said you were being dumb, you were probably being dumb. Not everything is ‘opinion’. Sometimes you’re just wrong. Like when you’re saying HP lunge every time doesn’t cost you damage, or that 500 damage off cmk is impossible, or that theres no reason to double tap a 2 frame link.
^These are all cases in THIS THREAD in which people made a false claim which I refuted, correctly, with evidence, politely. Theres no reason me saying something is ‘false’ should be taken as offensive unless you’ve got a massive ego and can’t handle the thought of being wrong. I’m not saying ‘people are robots who don’t make mistakes’ im saying if someone corrects you and you’re evidently wrong then SUCK IT UP. The fault is with YOU for getting bent out of shape just because someone mentioned you weren’t comboing right FFS.
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You guys seriously need to learn to read… and anybody just now coming into this argument, needs to read the last few pages (up to post #288).
To sum it up, it starts by some noob saying double tapping was useless. Me and TrollThisSrk start arguing that it’s not useless. vertoxz responds with logical fallacies such as straw man and ad hominem, and two points in his counter argument:
-you can double plink
-top players rarely drop 1f links
For the double plinking point, apparently vertoxz thought the link being discussed was cr.MP , cr.MP, not cr.MP , st.MP or st.LP , st.MP. st.MP cannot be double plinked because you’ll get a throw. For his other point, we both gave evidence that 1f links were dropped frequently by top players (Daigo/Mago included).
Fat suddenly butts in, saying double tapping is like “mashing like a turbo button rather than using timing.” He also boldly claims Vesper is wrong, and the plinking/double tapping thread (which has been on SRK for about 2yrs now) is also full of lies. It’s also in this post that Fat declares that st.MP comes out on a negative egde (which is completely false), and then makes a random claim without any evidence whatsoever that single tapping is better with Bison. Fat’s primary evidence is it “seems kind of obvious.”
TrollThisSrk comes back and takes it to the extreme saying that doubletap > plinking when it comes to >1f links. This is not the original argument (“double tapping sucks”), but theoryfighter/theoretically, TrollThisSrk is correct. Then the argument shifts over to GJ combos, which I don’t give a crap about, not yet anyway.
Oh yeah and then Phantom Angel comes in, blindly attacking TrollThisSrk (specifically ad hominem), and not really adding anything to the argument.
Did I miss anything in my summary?
In TrollThisSrk’s defense, I have yet to see him be explicitly proven wrong on any of his points. The arguments so far seem to be just due to a bad choice of words and miscommunication from both parties. As well as random flaming and other logical fallacies that have no place in informal logic or rhetoric.
Anyways, now Sosage the mod is here and TrollThisSrk might possibly get an infraction due to popular opinion, rather than for posting incorrect information (which many other people have, during the argument).
Umm… I’m pretty sure everyone here understands the “basic mechanics” of the game. Besides, nothing we spoke of had anything to do with the basic mechanics of the game. We spoke about plinking over double-tapping… Not exactly basic. We spoke about frames… Not basic.
There’s a big difference between politely correcting someone and saying, “You’re an idiot,” followed by a correction.
If you took your own advice, we wouldn’t be having this conversation… 
I’m pretty much done with this situation. Having said what I have to say, I don’t see a reason to go on with it. Btw, I respect the way you responded to me. If you responded this way more often, more people would respect you and these pointless arguments wouldn’t occur.
I wasn’t blindly attacking him… I just didn’t like the way he was acting. It had nothing to do with the argument in question. Actually, what I said to him was posted after the argument was pretty much over. There were nothing but insults being thrown around and it was annoying.
After a stun, I saw Daigo execute a combo : FA3 : ex Palm, Shoulder, Lunge Punch.
Is it character specific ? Wich version of shoulder and lunge punch is it ? I tried with mp shoulder, sometimes it connect but it seems to be a weird timing. But after mp shoulder I can’t connect any lunge punch. (I tried on Yang)
Thx for help because this combo is awesome ^^
first page --> combos post --> character specific
I can’t seem to find the info on the first page. Can you post it here?
Thx, maybe I was blind ^^
2 pages thread, can’t miss it !!
Certain characters only:
Corner only: *FA3 backdash qcb MP/HP qcb MP/HP qcf LP - *434 damage/665 stun
**Corner only: ***FA3 backdash qcb MP/HP dp LP qcf HP - *416 damage/630 stun
Abel: yes Adon: yes Akuma: yes Balrog (Boxer): yes Blanka: no Cammy: no Chun Li: no Cody: yes C. Viper: yes Dan: no Dee Jay: yes Dhalsim: yes Dudley: yes E. Honda: no El Fuerte: yes Evil Ryu: yes Fei Long: yes Gen: yes Gouken: yes Guile: yes Guy: yes Hakan: yes Ibuki: yes Juri: yes Ken: yes M. Bison (Dictator): yes Makoto: yes Oni: yes Rose: yes Rufus: no Ryu: yes Sagat: yes Sakura: yes Seth: yes T. Hawk: yes Vega (Claw): yes Yang: yes Yun: yes Zangief: no
anyone with my question ?
I see more geneijin after a lp shoulder than after a st.mp st.hp target … is there any particular reason ? some damage reduce thing ?
I don’t have any problem with connecting the st.hk after the genei activation … but lately, I’ve been using (online) the target combo to confirm into geneijin because of the lag …