Okay so ive been training with Yang really heavily the past few days, learning as much as I can, playing as much as I can, and ive honestly got to say, and im not sure if its because of the nerfs he received, or what, but I feel like Yang himself is kinda having an archetype crisis. I feel like he doesnt know wtf he wants to do. He has some decent pokes, hes got some decent mixups, and hes got a good hitconfirm, although it does low damage…but thats exactly my point. From what im seeing right now, hes got a lot of tools, but theyre all decent. Im not sure exactly what Yang is supposed to be…his pokes dont really have amazing priority from what ive seen…his mixups all seem really risky for a relatively small reward since he does so little damage…and its not like he puts you in a mixup situation which if the opponent guesses wrong puts him in another mixup situation into another like a NORMAL mixup character…he has a lot of resets, but he doesnt really have a lot of options after said reset (lets be honest, hes no Gen / Sakura / Viper / Seth)…and his super seems to be a huge waste because hes so reliant on FADC’s to either keep his shit safe, or to squeeze out a little more damage…and on top of all of this, hes got low health.
Now let me say that after learning what I have of the character…I still enjoy playing him. I feel like I have to play calculated and intelligent, which I enjoy…I also DO like the tools he has. He’s definitely a fun character to play as. Maybe there is some tech I dont know about, or some sort of mixup string you can do that I dont know about, but when it comes down to it, I just dont see what he excels at, that half the cast doesnt do better…literally. "Ah, and there it is, 5th Horseman, Yang is a jack of all trades but master of none. " … to which I say: Hes one of the least capable jack of all trades in the game (in my opinion, as of now…this is liable to change lol). Im not saying he cant win either though.
All im asking, is for someone to show me the light…please, im really asking for some guidance here to see what this fool is supposed to do lol.
Any comments are appreciated and are being looked forward to.
Well you aren’t going to see results overnight - if you wanted that you could pick Cammy or something. Yang (after the nerfing Capcom decided to give him) requires some hard work to get wins. If you played Guy you know about the power of the corner - you should be trying all you can to get there where Yang’s damage skyrockets.
At the end of the day if you’re having fun with him stick it out - you’ll start seeing results.
how does his damage “skyrocket” in the corner…without meter I mean. just curious
and I know that im not going to see instant results overnight with ANY character, but ive been grinding it with Yang for a little while and im just sharig what ive noticed and looking for an answer I guess.
How does it skyrocket?.. Not only can you harass much of the cast there pretty damn effectively, he also has extended combos such as;
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[]cr.lp/lk, s.lp, cl.mk, mp.palm, rollkicks…{Be cautious with cr.lk>s.lp however, it’s 1 frame. If you practice it in the training mode it becomes fairly easy, at least it did to me. }
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[]if you hit them with an hp.palm near the corner, you can follow it up with s.hp to reset them.
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Neither of those take meter.
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[*]If you hit them with EX.slashes near the corner, you can follow up with mk.rollkicks or s.hp(i think).
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I’ve been grinding with Yang for months just got him to the 2kpp level, But it took me about as long to get there with Evil Ryu as well so that’s normal for me, also it’s not that much time. I am winning fairly consistently in endless now against 2-3k pp players. Yang is great at mind games, bating the opponent, and being safe while your opponent is wreckless.
What half of the cast does everything better than Yang? He actually has decent match-ups against ‘top tier’ characters… Maybe half the cast does one or two of the things he does better, but more than likely they are also lacking in another area he is ‘decent’ in. He is ‘decent’ in most areas, low damage output and life are the glaring weaknesses, but what character doesn’t have glaring weaknesses? No matter who you play you are using what you have that is good and trying to negate what is bad, since damage and health are bad with yang, negate them by playing to his strengths: Safe pressure, corner carry, a slew of mixups and resets, frame traps… I dunno maybe Yang just fits how I want to play this game very very well but he is pretty good IMO. Also, of course he is no Gen / Sakura / Viper / Seth. If he was, why would they put him in the game? Those characters already exist. And they are all WAY different than Yang lol.
Don’t know if your mentioning Cammy because shes rated as a top character means your gonna expect results quickly, is one of the stupidest things i see said alot on this site, you wouldn’t get quick results with Yang in AE when he was really good.
Anyways, if your having trouble figuring out what to do with Yang, best thing you can do is watch Yang players like Kyoku and see their decision making in different situations and the reasoning behind it, don’t just copy whatever they do make sure you have understanding otherwise you will gain bad habits.
I mentioned Cammy because she’s similar to Yang but does quite a few things better - she’s also easier to just pick up and get wins with at low and mid level play. Yang of course has some things going for him that Cammy doesn’t. I wasn’t using the “pick top tier to get easy wins” argument… I agree Yang was top 3 in AE but still difficult to use without a lot of work in training mode.
Im pretty sure Cammy does basically everything better than Yang… way higher damage / stun output, better reversal, easier combo to ultra, arguably better pokes much better divekick, and better matchups all around…
Cammy does not even have a teleport, command grab, palms, a jump-cancellable launcher that allows for ambiguous setups, or rekkas, so I would say she does not do those things better than Yang as that would be impossible, so ‘everything’ is far from accurate in my opinion. Yang and Cammy may have a similar base archetype, however if you ask me, they are meant to be played in very different ways.
just…nvm…not going to get any farther into this one. Obviously they dont have the same exact tools…all I was saying is that Cammy outclasses Yang in almost every area of the screen except max cr.mk range (and this is arguable)
Why not? You asked someone to defend Yang, to ‘show you the light’, and then when I try to you say you don’t wanna talk about it anymore lol. Was just conversing. But okay.
I main Cammy and am currently picking up Yang. @5th Horseman, if you are just going to look at it without taking into consideration the different tools and options that Yang has, then you might as well just go read a tier list. Cammy is probably a better character than yang, but yang has his own options and playstyle that makes him enjoyable. If you look at it from a very narrow perspective, then yes, both characters want to get in and mix you up. But Yangs mixup is very different to Cammys. Plus I enjoy his safe pressure and unique super.
Looking at the game plan, when I play Cammy my goal is just to knock them down, with preference on back throw. From that I can start my mixup game. With Yang my goal is to get them into the corner, as that’s where his tricky mixups are most effective, and he can maximize his damage output. It’s overall a very different situation, but if you aren’t going to bother to look at what makes Yang unique in the first place then all of this is wasted on you.
Yeah, Cammy is better than Yang in all likelihood. She also may well be the best character in the game. If you’re looking for reasons that Yang is objectively better than Cammy, you’re not going to find them.
That said, Yang has a command grab, better range on his regular throw, an overhead, easy ways of landing full animation ultras and much safer pressure from midrange. He’s also much better against focus attacks from both the ground and the air. It’s strange that you would list one of Cammy’s advantages as easier combos to ultra when that’s probably one of the few things that Yang undeniably has over her: she basically gets non-animation ultra off of dp fadc and a bunch of weaker moves that don’t see a lot of use, where Yang gets full animation ultra off of anything into rekka fadc, command grab, cl.mk, and even s.lp. He also gets the same dp fadc into non-animation ultra as Cammy does if you choose to use U2. As far as characters that have the most opportunities to land ultra, he’s gotta be up near the top of the list.
Unless some crazy tech or another version of the game comes out, he’s never going to be a stronger character than Cammy, but he certainly has access to some tools that she doesn’t.
how do you guys do the rekka->fadc->U1? i can’t seem to do it even in practice mode. i guess my hands are no quick enough, or is there a shortcut to it?
I just practiced everyday untill I got fast enough, but there are other ways of doing it.
Rekka> lvl2 focus atk>dash>U1
Rekka>FADC>cl.mk>fj lk.divekick> U1
Rekka>FADC>cl.mk>dash>U1 (this is harder than all the other options imo)
Rekka>FADC>cl.mk>U1 To get this to land do the 2x QCF and hold forward (so you walk forward) then hit all 3 punches. But if I recall this is character specific.
Rekka FADC cl.mk hold forward U1 is probably the easiest way to land it. If my memory serves me it works on all characters except: Honda, Dudley, Dee Jay, Cody, Hakan, Fei Long, Adon and Guile.
There is a trick to performing the FADC> U1 that HNIC mike posted a while back…
As for tips on landing it normally, what worked for me is to make sure to slow down the second rekka. So calmly do the first two rekkas then input the FADC and buffer the ultra during the dash. At first I was rushing the whole thing whereas it should be a gradual build-up in speed. I would suggest practicing it everyday in training mode.
Zangief, E.Honda, Adon, Cody, Dee Jay and Dudley were the characters that I couldn’t get cl.mk > walk > U1 to work on from minimum range. Some characters are a lot less lenient than others though, so even if it’s possible it might not be worth the risk. It’s definitely something worth knowing, especially in an environment with lag.
To do the regular FADC ultra, first you have to make sure you buffer the dash really early - the dash comes out almost as far ahead as the last input of a 3 hit target combo and that will give you extra time for the input. When I do the double qcf I usually think of it like trying to do a sloppy 720 something like:
:d: :df: :f: :uf: :db: :d: :df: :f: :3p:
This might be a bad habit, but I’ve found I don’t get EX rekkas by accident nearly so often.
:db: :d: :df: :f: :3p: