With the nerf to our cross-up, as many of you know it has become character specific as to who our cross-up works on or not and under what circumstances. As such, I have compiled a list of cross-up setups, and who they work on, if it’s corner only, and if it hits them if they are standing or crouching. I tested the following cross-up setups so far:
LP rekkas in the corner
HP rekkas in the corner
Forward throw, dash forward, jump forward (both in the corner and mid-screen)
For each set-up, I set the dummy opponent to quick stand and no block. For the LP and HP rekka set-ups, you jump forward as soon as you can. For the Forward throw set-up, you need to vary the timing on your jump on a per character basis.
Anyway, here is the list. S means that it can hit them when they’re standing. C means that it can hit them when they’re crouching. Unless it’s otherwise stated, it works both mid-screen and in the corner (obviously the rekka set-ups are corner only).
Cross-up Setup #1 (LP rekkas in the corner)
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Ryu – C (forces stand)
Ken – C (forces stand)
E. Honda – SC
Ibuki – S
Makoto – C (forces stand)
Dudley – C (forces stand)
Seth – SC
Gouken – SC (forces stand)
Akuma – C (forces stand)
Gen – C (forces stand)
Dan – C (forces stand)
Sakura – SC (forces stand)
Oni – C (forces stand)
Yun – Doesn’t work at all
Juri – SC (forces stand)
Chun li – C (forces stand)
Dhalsim – Doesn’t work at all
Abel – C (forces stand)
C. Viper – C (forces stand)
M. Bison – SC (forces stand)
Sagat – C (forces stand)
Cammy – SC (forces stand)
Dee Jay – SC (forces stand)
Cody – C (forces stand)
Guy – SC (forces stand, needs to be delayed a bit)
Hakan – SC (forces stand)
Yang – Doesn’t work at all
Evil Ryu – C (forces stand)
Guile – SC (forces stand. Timing is a bit weird when he’s standing)
Blanka – C (forces stand…I think. Hard to tell with his animations.)
Zangief – SC (forces stand)
Rufus – SC (forces stand)
El Fuerte – C (forces stand)
Vega – C
Balrog – C (forces stand)
Fei Long – SC (forces stand)
T. Hawk – SC (forces stand)
Adon – SC
Rose - C[/details]
Cross-up Setup #2 (HP Rekkas in the corner)
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Ryu – C
Ken – C
E. Honda – SC
Ibuki – C
Makoto – SC
Dudley – C
Seth – SC
Gouken – SC
Akuma – C
Gen – SC
Dan – C
Sakura – C
Oni – C
Yun – C
Juri – SC
Chun li – C
Dhalsim – C
Abel – C
C. Viper – C
M. Bison – SC
Sagat – SC
Cammy – SC
Dee Jay – SC
Cody – C
Guy – SC
Hakan – SC
Yang – Doesn’t work at all
Evil Ryu – C
Guile – C
Blanka – C
Zangief – SC
Rufus – SC
El Fuerte – SC
Vega – C
Balrog – C
Fei Long – SC
T. Hawk – SC
Adon – C
Rose - C[/details]
Cross-up Setup #3 (Forward Throw, Dash Forward, jump forward)
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Shoto Group (Strict timing but works whether standing or crouching):
Ryu – SC (doesn’t work in the corner for either)
Ken – SC (doesn’t work in the corner for either)
Dan – SC (if he’s in the corner, it only works if he’s crouching)
Sakura – SC (Works in the corner. Extremely easy when she’s crouching.)
Oni – SC (Works in the corner as well if he’s crouching)
C. Viper – SC (Not as strict as the other characters in this group. Doesn’t work if standing in the corner.)
Evil Ryu – SC (if in the corner, only work’s when he’s crouching)
El Fuerte – SC (if in the corner, only work’s when he’s crouching)
Fei Long – SC (forces stand. Not quite as strict as the other characters in this group.)
Adon – SC (doesn’t work if he’s standing in the corner. Forces stand outside of the corner.)
Fat Boy Group (Extremely easy to do whether standing or crouching):
E. Honda – SC
Akuma – SC
Abel* – SC (doesn’t work in the corner if standing)
M. Bison – SC (forces stand in the corner)
Cammy – SC (won’t cross up if she’s crouching outside of the corner.)
Dee Jay – SC (forces stand)
Hakan – SC (forces stand)
Guile – SC (forces stand in the corner. If he’s crouching outside of the corner it doesn’t cross up.)
Blanka – SC
Rufus – SC (Rufus is kinda weird though. When he’s standing outside of the corner, it’s like a 50/50 chance that you’ll hit him and slide behind him, or hit him and end up in front of him. When he’s crouching outside of the corner it forces stand and won’t cross up.)
Vega - SC
Oddball Group (weird things happen, or just really odd timing):
Ibuki – SC (The timing seems stricter when she’s crouching, but it still works)
Seth* – SC (if crouching, delay it or else it won’t cross-up and will force stand instead)
Gouken* - SC (not shoto strict, but not fat-boy easy either. Strict when crouching)
Yang – SC (fat-boy easy when standing, shoto-strict when crouching. Doesn’t work in the corner.)
Zangief – SC (fat-boy easy when in the corner, shoto-strict when not. Forces stand in the corner.)
Corner only group (self explanatory):
Chun li – SC (Forces stand in the corner. Outside corner, crouch only)
Guy – SC (Forces stand in the corner)
Not worth doing (Doesn’t cross up, won’t hit at all, or will only hit if crouching):
Dudley(No matter how you time it, if you hit him, you didn’t cross-up)
Gen (Only works when crouching in the corner)
Yun (can’t hit him at all)
Dhalsim (only works when he’s crouching, forces stand in the corner)
Juri* - C
Makoto – C (Forces stand when timed just right)
Sagat – C (Forces stand in the corner)
Cody – C (forces stand)
Balrog – C (if he’s in the corner, it only works when he’s crouching. If he’s not in the corner, if you hit him, it won’t cross up, standing or crouching.)
T. Hawk – C (only crosses up if he’s crouching in the corner. It whiffs entirely if he’s standing in the corner. If he’s not in the corner, he’s too tall to actually jump over so you won’t cross up.)
Rose – C (only crosses up in the corner. If she’s not in the corner it won’t cross up, standing or crouching.)
*For Seth, I just wanted to point out that if he’s standing, which is most likely going to be the case if someone wants to block a cross-up, he’s basically in the “fat-boy” category since it’s easy as pie to cross him up.
*For Gouken, the timing isn’t strict when he’s standing per se. You just need to delay it more than you would against E. Honda, for example.
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For Juri, if you do it outside of the corner, you can hit her while she’s standing but you won’t cross-up. If she’s crouching, if you jump early you’ll cross-up and land behind her but she won’t be standing. Jump later and you won’t cross-up and will force stand.
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For Abel, if he’s crouching in the corner, it’s very strict timing to actually cross up. It forces stand if you hit him.[/details]
Cross Up Set-up #4 (Command grab, clst.mp xx mk Roll Kick, forward jump. Midscreen)
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Ryu – Doesn’t work at all
Ken – Doesn’t work at all
E. Honda – SC
Ibuki – Doesn’t work at all
Makoto – C
Dudley – S
Seth – SC
Gouken – Doesn’t work at all
Akuma – Doesn’t work at all
Gen – Doesn’t work at all
Dan – Doesn’t work at all
Sakura – Doesn’t work at all
Oni – Doesn’t work at all
Yun – Doesn’t work at all
Juri – Doesn’t work at all
Chun li – Doesn’t work at all
Dhalsim – Doesn’t work at all
Abel – Doesn’t work at all
C. Viper – S (when she’s crouching, it won’t cross-up and will force stand)
M. Bison – C
Sagat – Doesn’t work at all
Cammy – Doesn’t work at all
Dee Jay – S (when he’s crouching, it won’t cross-up and will force stand)
Cody – Doesn’t work at all
Guy – Doesn’t work at all
Hakan – SC
Yang – Doesn’t work at all
Evil Ryu – Doesn’t work at all
Guile – SC
Blanka – Doesn’t work at all
Zangief – SC
Rufus – SC
El Fuerte – S (when he’s crouching, it won’t cross-up and will force stand)
Vega – C
Balrog – Doesn’t work at all
Fei Long – Doesn’t work at all
T. Hawk – Doesn’t work at all
Adon – Doesn’t work at all
Rose – Doesn’t work at all
I’m going to be working on testing other cross-up setups. Right now I’m testing MK roll, corner and mid-screen (this one’s a bit annoying since the results seem to be vastly different for each hit confirm), and Target Combo 2 in the corner.
If there is any other corner set-up that you would like me to test, please let me know. Don’t expect instant updates though; I have 39 characters that I need to test per set-up.